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KickStarter Grim Dawn

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by JudasIscariot, Apr 16, 2012.

  1. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Obsessed doesn't mean I have to be a fanboy. Fanboyism usually comes with rose tinted glasses and the ability to dismiss gross flaws. I have no issue with admitting all the current flaws with Grim Dawn + I can call out the devs for clearly retarded design choices, as I have done before on the Crate forums, before being dogpiled by the real fanboiz.
     
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  2. Lhynn Arcane

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    Sure, those 3 are shitty anyway.
    Especially nox, as an action rpg it was crap. Tho it had nice worldbuilding.
    Prince of qin was repetitive shit, played it a while.
    Divine divinity bored me to tears in the first dungeon.

    Compared to any of them, dungeon delving felt a lot more tense in dins curse, you had to keep the town safe, keep the enemies from completing their plans, exploring, and questing, all of it time sensitive. The stakes were much higher too, as fuck ups could end the game and cost the lives of everyone in the town.
     
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  3. uaciaut Savant

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    Can anyone tell me if this blademaster build is any good? If not can anyone recommend me some blademaster build. I'm also taking blademaster items you aren't using and can give away for free durrr

    Edit: this is the build: http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23899
     
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  4. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Where's the build?
     
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  5. Turisas Arch Devil Patron

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    Guess he went with full stealth spec. :yeah:
     
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  6. uaciaut Savant

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    Edited it in, i somehow managed to forget doing this in the original post :v
     
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  7. Zdzisiu Arcane

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    Allow me the obligatory: Blademasters are faggots, and so are you!
     
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  8. uaciaut Savant

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    Idk i like melee classes, if there are alternatives to this w/ either soldier or nightblade i'm all ears.
     
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  9. Malignant Manor Learned

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    PoE could be called out for copying the materia system from Final Fantasy 7 and the skill grid section from Final Fantasy 10. I believe others may say they also copied another little know game called Diablo.
     
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  10. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    These comments are based on the build without gear: http://grimcalc.com/build/ctlxKH
    It's a bit weird, the build. Having both Shadow Strike and Blitz is wasteful as they are essentially the same kind of ability. Putting one point in Shadow Dance doesn't seem profitable either. You'll probably want to go all in or not to get the best gains out of it. The biggest flaw in this build is that he took Markovian's Advantage and Zolhan's Technique from the Soldier tree and Amarasta's Quick Cut, Whirling Death and Execution from the Nightblade tree. This is an incredible waste of DPS. Execution is the star of the show, yet he's muddling his chances for it to proc by taking a heap of other skills that can proc. Certainly they are all good, but they can't proc at the same time. I'd cut down on the passive procs.

    I made some modifications to the build by cutting away some excess fat that was actually just hurting the DPS and adding some things, such as taking the Terrify Transmuter for War Cry in the Soldier tree, which is a critically important ability in Elite and beyond. I also took Veil of Shadow which is a very good ability. I'm surprised that he didn't take it in the original build. I left points for you to play around with as you see fit. http://grimcalc.com/build/XxsP17
     
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  11. 4249 I stalk the night Patron

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    1 point in Shadow Strike is purely for the added mobility and a stun, not a waste in any way. And 1 point in Shadow Dance is the most profitable option in theory, as it gives the chance to avoid attacks to begin with. Having one point in Menhir's Will on a dual wielder is completely useless, as it can't proc. If/once you get Beronath's Fury to replace Cadence, having multiple procs in Dual Blades is not a bad thing at all and is actually preferred. Markovian > Zolhan. Reduced damage from leveling Warcry > Terrify chance from transmuter. Also cap Soldier mastery for Scars of Battle and Oleron's Rage (and base stats).
     
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  12. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Debateble wether Markovian is better than Zolhan. I'd put them as equals since they both have really good debuffs, but in this case Zolhan will add more facetankability as it debuffs enemy attack speed by 33%. A Nightblade will have lots of OA that can make up for the DA debuff from Markovian. Most people do go for all the Night Blade dual wield procs, but adding on the Soldier ones is overkill as it's just going to dent your your chance to get Execution and overall DPS. One could take Blindside over Markovian in this case. It debuffs less DA, but it's reliable and won't eat up another proc from you. It'l allso debuff the enemy's physical damage.
     
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  13. Damned Registrations Prestigious Gentleman Furry Weeaboo Nazi Nihilist

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    Wouldn't the ideal situation be to grab the high tier procs from each and leave the low level ones alone? Though I also figured the dual wielding ones were better in general, because they're more restricted in what weapons they can work with.
     
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  14. uaciaut Savant

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    Again if there is any other cookie cutter melee build (nightblade in soldier combined with something else) I'm all ears.
     
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  15. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    How good is pure soldat shaping up these days?
     
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  16. 4249 I stalk the night Patron

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    No reason to stay pure soldier, or pure anything, with the amount of mastery points available. Soldier itself is still stronk and doesn't afraid of anything.
     
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  17. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Soldier + Arcanist is as cookie cutter as it might get. But why are you looking for ready builds? Why not play what you like? I'll help you if you like, but won't that ruin your fun?

    Objectively one of the strongest if not the strongest masteries, but as 4249 said there's no reason to stay pure anything.
     
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  18. Turisas Arch Devil Patron

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    Is it worth dismantling greens at all, or are they just vendor trash? I've been stashing the better ones so far, but since the stash is so puny-sized I need to clear up some space for epix. This game really needs a 3rd party mule tool like ATMA, that was a life saver for D2.
     
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  19. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Dismantling is mostly for duplicate epics and legendaries, really. Otherwise it's probably not worth the time and effort.
     
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  20. abija Prophet

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    How exactly is he cutting down on proc chance? He has only 66% of the autoattacks covered in the no-gear build and 100% with gear.

    Looking at the build you made, you clearly didn't understand how those procs work. They cannot proc at the same time, but they override auto-attacks. In the build you modified 20% Zolhan, 20% Execution: game rolls 0-99 for each auto-attack, 0->19 is zolhan, 20-39 is execution, 40-99 is auto-attack. If you add another 20% proc chance it will take the 40-59 "bracket", not cut into execution.
    You diminish proc rate of execution only if you go over 100%, when it becomes 2000/total.

    Also, if you go Cadence, Belgothian's Shear and Amarasta's Quick Cuts produce 2 and 3 hits which count towards cadence and if cadence triggers during those procs, it doesn't override them.

    But don't mind me I'm just a TQ hater amazed by the pure genius behind these clear mechanics.
     
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  21. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    Are you sure it works that way? From what I read on the forums it rolls for which proc happens each time you attack and they cancel out each other. Having multiple %'s it just rolls each attack and see which proc comes out. The more you have the muddier the water gets. I'll have to re-check and see if what you say is true, because it'd be great if it was.

    I know Cadence takes priority, which is why I picked it. It's a guaranteed wallop ever 3rd hit. None of the procs are guaranteed, even the chances are good. I have heaps of procs on my Battlemage and it's not that rare to go through fights where nothing happens, other than Cadence. Cadence fucking rocks, too.

    Edit: Found this:

    So, yeah, sounds good. In that case the original build is fine as it is, as it takes into account that each proc will have exactly 20% chance to occur with gear, and there's 5 of them so they won't start diminishing each other. In this case Cadence will not be needed.

    Edit edit: And this isn't a good thing at all, because it just opens up even more build possibilities for me to try out. This shit is never ending. :negative:
     
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  22. Sykar Arcane

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    As a Warlock with focus on aetherial and elemental damage, which faction would benefit me more, Death Vigil or Kymon?
     
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  23. Cyberarmy Love fool Patron

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    Deaths Vigil then, they have the elemental damage and caster stuff except raw fire and lightning damage.
     
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  24. Hobo Elf Arcane

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    I think I need to take a break from the game. I'm burning myself out with the shittyness of Elite and Ultimate. Luckily the first balance patch should be out by the end of the month so I hope the higher difficulties will be more fun and playable by then.
     
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  25. Renevent Arbiter

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    What's shitty about them?
     
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