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Harebrained Schemes are making a horror-themed game

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by almondblight, Dec 28, 2019.

  1. V_K Arcane

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    ...says the Disco fan.
     
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  2. Verylittlefishes Erudite Patron

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    Disco's texts are indeed suffer from political agenda (I admit, towards the end I've barely scrolled the "thoughts" about class struggle and such) but still it is not the purple prose, it is just overstuffed with content. Again, Disco is the FIRST game of Kurvitz. What about fucking Obsidian?
     
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  3. V_K Arcane

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    Disco texts suffer from a complete lack of flow and style, first and foremost. They're simply awkward. Compared to that Shadowrun's prose is a masterpiece.
    And Kurvitz is supposed to be a published author. Not that it means much though.
     
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  4. Verylittlefishes Erudite Patron

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    No.
     
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  5. Silva Arcane

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    And in HBS Shadowrun you spend 80% of your time reading bad fanfic.

    I prefer the Genesis missions.
     
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  6. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    It was this but also not great given its terrible realtime combat and incredibly routine matrix (matrix gameplay has always been bad regardless of implementation).
     
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  7. Harthwain Scholar

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    1) To my knowledge more than a single person worked on text in Disco.
    2) Publishing a book alone is not a feat in this day and age. You can even self-make and self-publish a video game too.
     
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  8. V_K Arcane

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    I played a shaman so I know nothing about that :cool:
     
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  9. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Genesis Shadowrun was a great concept but I tried playing it recently through emulator and I just couldn't, too much repetition and the combat is terrible. I liked some ideas and the art style of it but the gameplay had serious problems , my ideal shadowrun game would have that 90's gritty look, non-linear but with actually decent combat and missions.
     
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  10. Lacrymas Arcane

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    I don't think any of HBS' Shadowruns managed to capture the nitty-gritty of the setting. You were always supported by established organizations with resources to keep the police off your back. They all somehow managed to get too epic by the end as well, which kinda detracts from the cyberpunk ideas of corporate overlordship, the police as a tool of capitalism, and commodification of the soul.
     
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  11. orcinator Savant

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    All* the shadowrun games suck, just in different ways.

    *okay I haven't played the Xbawks MP shooter or that Nippon only one but I don't have much hope.
     
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  12. GhostCow Educated Patron

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    The one on xbox is hilarious in that I think it was the first game to have crossplay with PC and they had to nerf the PC players so the pleebs could keep up. The guns were given way more kickback for PC players and there were a bunch of other nerfs that I can't remember. It's one of the things I bring up every time I see my roommate's dumbass wife playing PC shooters with a gamepad but she just won't change her ways and continues to suck.
     
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  13. Serious_Business Best Poster on the Codex

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    I'm guessing some woman at Harebrained Schemes said something about women and now their writing is bad and their games are the worst. Good job "buddies"
     
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  14. V_K Arcane

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    Yeah, I played it through the emulator as well, I ended up just using cheat engine to save me the trouble of "radiant" missions. It turned out a much better (if much shorter) experience that way.
     
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  15. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    Nah, what happened is that the lead designer became trans and everyone started talking like west coast teenagers. From the Codex review

     
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  16. RegionalHobo Learned

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    have quite a lot of good faith in harebrained after dragonfall and hong kong

    as it stands they are one of the devs i think have one of the best odds to do a decent job with a WoD game. Hoping for Mage, but will at the very least follow the news for any setting
     
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  17. Silva Arcane

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    Whoever says Genesis Shadowrun is grindy must check for a retardo test with the nearest psychologist. The game lets you ignore most of the side missions and go straight for the main story ones if you want. And it's even pretty short if you do that. There's a dozen speedruns on youtube to prove it. Like this one, which takes 36 min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmCH2tiH990&t=5s

    The difference being that Genesis Shadowrun actually has a dynamic mission generator mechanism in place, which communicates with everything from your reputation to contacts to Mr. Johnsons to factions etc. to provide a simulation of a shadowrunners life. Now, if one finds that boring, I don't know what to say. You're playing a game called "shadowrun", aka: "illegal missions the game" and don't want to execute missions but instead prefer to pass your time reading (cringey) fanfic and goind from point A to B to C in a linear story? What's next, wanting Bioware romances in the game too?
     
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  18. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    I remember reading a Genesis Shadowrun LP and being amused when the LPer was caught using the money cheat which he admitted, because he couldn't stand all the grinding you have to do for money. You'll get wiped out on the critical path without properly upgrading your equipment and as I recall you have to buy info a lot too.
     
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  19. Nano Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Your nostalgia is showing, Silva.
     
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  20. Silva Arcane

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    The 36min speedrun above doesn't use money cheats. Why don't you try to watch it? It's just half an hour. Shorter than some HBS quests with their unecessary long and cringey dialogues. :smug:

    And I remembered another thing that HBS Shadowrun lack that this game has in spades - stealth. While infiltrating a corporate office here, you must consider stuff like invisibility spells, maglock passkeys, persuasion rolls, hacking etc. to avoid alerting the building (or suppressing triggered alerts). And its totally possible to succeed at missions in pure stealth/without a single shot fired. All that in a dynamic, non-scripted way, with patrolling guards, office workers, etc. While in HBS thats impossible because again, missions are just scripted stories.

    If this isn't the last nail in the coffin - a Shadowrun game without infiltration - I don't know what it is. But it makes sense really, because these HBS clowns don't know how to program dynamic systems if their lives depended on it. All they know is to write cringey linear scripts. So every aspect of the game that needed systems - infiltration, matrix, factions relations, etc - are non-existent or replaced by some unnecessary long text trying to pass for something else. Like a fanfic blog in game form.

    P.S: You know what the best thing to come out of this hoax of a series is? That "Unlimited" mod that tries to replicate Genesis gameplay by simulating the live of a runner, with different johnsons and unscripted missions that affect your reputation etc. But the engine is so limited that the modder eventually gave up.
     
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  21. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    Having completed it, you're really overselling it.
     
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  22. Silva Arcane

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    It's not overselling, it's stating facts.
     
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  23. Sailor Woedica Savant The Real Fangirl

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    I finally found this thread again! Ok I only played like 15 mins of this studio’s other rpg Shadowrun: Dragonfall yesterday but it’s already officially one of the coolest ever because Glory is from 2014 but everything about her is so 2020! The dewey red eyes that everyone irl and around had all last year and this year! And finally, like FINALLY a cute sporty lewk (like seriously I thought Disco Elysium was the only rpg ever that ever had such a fashionable sporty ootd and it was wasted on that main character) mixed with such a current oversized Billie Eilish lewk for the bottom half!!! And the hair is a sleek middle parting!!! The only thing that would make her even more 2020 is if she had a nose piercing. Like I said I’ve only played maybe 15 or 20 mins of Shadowrun but it has to be one of the best rpgs ever made. Monika was also really fierce but ugh what happened to her was seriously sad........ A vampire rpg from this studio would be so put together [​IMG]
     
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  24. agris Arcane Patron

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    Trigger the codex with a statement thread is a few posts up
     
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