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Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by J1M, Aug 18, 2013.

  1. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Your hyperbolic hyping of Trump still doesn't mean that he is infallible. Other players were sucessful with other variations of Paladin that played Boom so Trump's build is by no means the definite one.

    I don't know which meta Trump was facing, but nowadays TBK is completely useless in a popular and hard matchup (Oil Rogue) while the absolute best he will get against almost any other deck is a Sludge Belcher. Maybe his climb was all Handlocks and Ramp Druids, but from my point of view TBK over Doom is certainly a debatable choice.
     
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  2. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    Calmly pointing out that he literally possesses rank #2 on the server with millions of players on it is now "hyperbolic". Yup, euros getting desperate already.

    I never claimed this was a "definitive" list. there are no definitive lists in this game due to the sheer number of tech cards. I'm simply pointing out that somebody achieved one of the empirically most skill-intensive things you can do in this game (maintaining the winrate required to reach literal rank 2 is better than winning a 2 out of 3 in a weekly tournament or whatever) without using Dr. Boom.


    Your first statement invalidates your second statement. Nice work.
     
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  3. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Do you think he wouldn't have reached the rank with Dr. Boom instead? That is pretty much the question here.

    Reaching the absolute top needs a lot of draw and matchup luck as well because you need an insane streak. It's a great success but it doesn't prove that TBK fits better than Boom in the deck/Paladin builds in general. I'm certain there are enough pro players that disagree with Trump's list in one way or another.

    Regarding my statement about the matchups, did you see him get #2 on stream?
     
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  4. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    No, I don't think he would have. Oil rogue has fallen off considerably at the legend level (at least in trump's stream) in favor of decks like Fast Druid.


    I never claimed that TBK always fits better than Boom 100% of the time. As we're in agreement on, it's entirely dependent on the decks you're facing. The entire point of the original image was an addendum to the massacre of me curbstomping people trying to claim that Dr. Boom is overpowered for the past few pages. I was simply pointing out that even a deck where Boom can fit in doesn't actually need the card at all.


    I could just as easily say "I'm certain there are enough pro players who agree with Trump's list in one way or another" Neither of us is remotely correct without going out and polling a critical mass of agreed-upon professional players.
     
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  5. UglyBastard Arcane

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    My point was that slapping a Boom in the deck probably wouldn't decrease its power level and possibly improve it. You don't have to replace TBK with it if TBK fits your meta but finding a slot for him shouldn't be that hard. Of course there is no way to determine who is objectively right here, so arguing over this seems pointless.

    I don't want to argue about "Boom imba" in general, in my opinion a simple nerf to 6/7 would solve the problem.
     
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  6. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    :what:

    You... do know that would be a buff to the card, right..?

    :whatho:
     
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  7. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Kappa
     
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  8. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    Didn't know a euro was capable of this. Well played

    :excellent:
     
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  9. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    Update, Trump hit #1 with the same decklist. Haven't seen enough taunts in rank 10 to justify the switch, but maybe he's right regardless since when you do have a target for it, that's pretty much game over on the spot.
     
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  10. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Yes I saw that.

    He only made a couple of games though and got pretty lucky as well (against that Rogue). The only thing I saw TBK get was a Deathlord which was pretty decent but mostly because his opponent totally played into it. Would have been really interesting to see some more games but he decided to sit on #1 for now.
     
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  11. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    How long can you sit there before you're eventually knocked down?
     
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  12. UglyBastard Arcane

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    As long as no one gets a higher MMR than you. In practice that means until another high ranked player gets a very long winstreak.

    To consistently hold #1 you have to win some more games to solidify your position. Trump quit right after he hit #1 so he will probably be dethroned pretty soon. Can't say when exactly.
     
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  13. Kattze Andhaira

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    Anyone know if there have any more card leaks for Blackrock?

    The Mind Quckening leak if true could have a great card. It is basically Nozdromu's effect but for a round only (I think) and it is a mage spell.

    Yes I know it is most likely a fake, but you never know. The devs could have modified Blackwing Technician after the leak, as the card is change fom the leaked version.
     
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  14. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Hint for evaluating early leaks:

    If the card doesn't have the BRM watermark it's 100% fake.

    New spoilers will probably come this week because they make preorder available and nobody will preorder for the shit they showed us so far.
     
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  15. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    None yet. Apparently there might be some up later today. The thing launches in April so I have to imagine they'll reveal a few cards every week.
     
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  16. UglyBastard Arcane

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    2 new cards spoiled:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Both are shit. Great!
     
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  17. Metro Arcane Beg Auditor

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    Crappier versions of Nerubian Egg and Trogg? Or I guess it's meant for buff spells? Still fairly mediocre. I figure this is going to be another extort $25 out of people for five or six good cards.
     
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  18. Brother None inXile Entertainment Developer

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    That Dragonkin Sorcerer text is a bit weird. Would feel better if it read "whenever this minion is targeted with a spell", since Trogg turned out to be underpowered and it'd be like a better Trogg that you could self-activate. Still, might be a pretty good card in arena.

    That said, I'm not sure what people are expecting. Of course not every card is going to be a slam-dunk in every deck card. A bunch will be decent in arena, a bunch will have fringe benefits in specific decks, a handful will be great and in a large percentage of decks. That's how any card expansion should work.
     
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  19. UglyBastard Arcane

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    Well we only have about 30 card slots in the expansion and so far only shit got revealed except for the Hungry Dragon.

    The adventure format is not the right one to release a bunch of unplayable booster/arena fodder.
     
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  20. Brother None inXile Entertainment Developer

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    Why not? If they release 30 cards that are ALL good to great, then the adventure becomes a must-have to remain even remotely competitive in any part of ranked (as opposed to just higher end), and that's unfair to people who can't afford to buy it.
     
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  21. Zed Codex Staff Patron

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    Dragon Egg might be usable for aggro warrior. A lot of 1 tickers to trigger 2x whelps from one egg.

    The Sorcerer looks decent for a priest (perhaps running 2x shields + 2x valen's).
     
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  22. Phage Arcane Manlet

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    Two swings, two misses by the dev team. The egg looks decent on paper, but it's so bad for tempo and top decking. Dunno what they're thinking with Sorcerer.

    Zed true face warrior can't really be spending the time to activate that card, outside of the extremely goldfishy Turn 1 egg turn 2 Taskmaster. The much more likely scenario is you play the egg and it just sits there until you break a death's bite or something - an actual 2/1 would have already done more damage than the potential 2 2/1s by then. Now, there could end up being some obnoxious slower, gimmicky deck that runs the egg, grim patron and stuff like whirlwind just to proc triggers. I'm sure someone will make that deck and have a few explosive games, but overall the consistency will just be too low compared to Control warrior.
     
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  23. Cowboy Moment Arcane

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    You know HS has gone to shit when Trump is actually competitive in Constructed. :lol:
     
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  24. Grubba Arcane

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    Seeking monocled opinions: I have a little over 2000 dust and want to add another deck to my arsenal. I've been playing mech shaman and oil rogue but I'd like something different and that dust would enable me to put together some semblance of a handlock deck (I already have Jaraxxus, just need some giants and other odds n ends). Should I go ahead and blow my dust wad now or would it be wise to wait a month or so to allow BRM to hit and see how the meta shifts?

    ...or should I just say "Screw Handlock" and go balls deep into Shaman and craft Neptulon?
     
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  25. sser Arcane Cuck Developer

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