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Hearts of Iron 4 - The Ultimate WWII Strategy Game

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by GarfunkeL, Jan 23, 2014.

  1. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    Lol my thoughts exactly, who the fuck uses French to promote resistance DLC. Soviet women were flying bombers while French women were riding Gestapo dicks.
     
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  2. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    There is a very simple answer to all of that:

    American education system.
     
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  3. Malakal Arcane

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    More accurately one of these countries has euro and a big market for video games while no one gives a fuck about Yugoslavians and their roubles(?)
     
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  4. ZeniBot Arbiter

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    This shit is going to be so broken and OP on launch.
     
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  5. Preben Learned

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    Pretty much this. To the average Burger (or Limey for that matter) organized resistance was in France. Period. Additionally the Jews were the only ones to actually took up arms.

    The rest of Europe was happy to collaborate with Nazis and lived the good life off stolen Jewish property.
     
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  6. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    In a more serious note, that is a serious concern. You honestly can't truly balance this sort of thing as an active component, because either it ends up like in previous entries where you just pumped espionage level to avoid having to deal with the nuisance of enemy sabotage (and at most you might try stealing blueprints from time to time, or smear so you can declare war), or it might end in a situation where it's so OP it can't be ignored.

    Ideally I figure espionage should be something of a give-and-take set of advantages (and through the absence, disadvantages), where you have an X maximum capacity of where your total espionage can take you but the possible uses just outnumber the capacity even if you have country-specific extra (which you know the Brits at least will have because pop culture). It might also be a good idea to not have counterespionage in this sort of set-up (because ability to universally reduce hostile espionage bonuses is just the most obvious pick if it isn't a pitifully low reduction), and focus purely on what espionage can do when used. Avoiding random success and failure is also a good idea, because that would only turn the whole thing into a chore on top of even more difficult to balance. So in a sense it could be a more fluid take on the way doctrines work.

    (Also unless there's some hefty cooldowns between missions, this is going to get really tiresome with 15 day missions)
     
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  7. Space Satan Arcane

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    If it will stop snowballing that would be okay. Because Germany bloats with military factories it get for almost free. It is the opposite of what happened. The more territories youconquer, the harder it is to manage them, but in HoIIV all newly conquered territories will bring only profit, nod downsides. No rebellons and resistanse now is ajoke
     
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    Well it's a joke to Germany, since Germany has the IC and PP to simply spam occupation any way it pleases.

    I don't really miss lack of rebel armies tho, the whack-a-mole rears its head in BlackICE in China and in KR's Murrican civil war and it's irritating as hell in both and mostly just tests you noticing it. The new system talked about regarding needing to put in manpower and equipment seems like a better solution, since that might actually sap strength instead of just diverting a motorized division.
     
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    Yeah based on Paradox's efforts with Waking tiger it's obvious everytime they add bullshit like this it always breaks the game. We even saw it with the naval overhauls completely ruining naval landings making it impossible to finish the war.
    When they added Exiled Governments it broke the manpower pools and became OP, the old meta used to be to befriend China early for Infinite manpower as they are assured to fall against the Japanese most of the time. When they revamped the Germany tree to support the Kaiser they also broke that as well where Germany could go down both paths if executed in a specific order. And never mind the hundreds of times I've played as Allied Hitler which is just so ridiculous to see in the game its surprising it hasn't been patched yet.

    Allied Hitler is basically cheating because you can Order 66 everyone in the game.
     
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    Maybe this will give them an opportunity to buff certain things in the absence of intel superiority like submarine raiding (although I haven't played the last few expansions so I don't know what the current balance status is). I always felt scout planes should be in the game with how barebones the air warefare system is, so hopefully they do something good with that.
     
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    It is kind of funny when you think about it.

    Compared to the general view of the heroic french resistance... Allo, Allo is basically a documentary.
     
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    I never understoood how french could make so many comedies about resistance and WWII occupation so easily. That was one of the worst periods for their country.
    That would never be understood in Russia, Poland, China, Yugoslavia or Byelorussia who experienced the real unspeakable horror and brutality of guerilla warfare.
    It was easy for France to make movies about making fool of a Gestapo officer but in those countries memories were still fresh that the consequence of such actions would be not angry shout like "Curse zat Resistance Pierre!" but mass execution or rounding up dozens of children to the city\village square and shooting or strangling them one by one until someone would provide information about participants. or herding and burning half the population as a warning to others.
     
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    Because it is romantic. French hot brunette with a Luger in Paris or a babushka with a sharpened spoon in some forsaken forest :)
     
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    Allo Allo is British
     
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  15. Space Satan Arcane

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    I recall comedies with Louis de Funes and some others
     
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    Snake shaped Prussia wouldn't survive 5 minutes in 20th century with Polish nationalists in both Silesia and Pomerelia, but the powers of autism are beyond such frivolities like realism.
     
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    Look it's Red Flood with dieselpunk mecha, I think we can say that realism isn't high on the list of concerns.

    (Personally I have no issue with putting in wanzers to the unit tech trees, as long as it's fun and adds something; heck you could throw in wanzers to KR just for lulz and I wouldn't care, it's fictional anyway)
     
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    HoI4 devs: managing your divisions is too much for for the game, we need to force players to automate this
    Also HoI4 devs: here's a whole screen of dumb bullshit to press and leaders to assign and map shit to fuck with when you want to waste time dealing a minor inconvenience to your enemy.

    Seriously the previous system was basically perfect. You just suffered random infrastructure damage over time if things weren't garrisoned. This is basically what happened IRL, the Allies and Soviets never really coordinated with partisans in major operations because it was highly likely that it'd get leaked and spoil the surprise of the attack leading to massively increased resistance. The only thing that needed to be changed was that the actual amount of damage needed to be more punitive and occur even with max policing.
     
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    If you are not China or Japan, then you are sitting on your ass watching your factories being built. Espionage could add some fun to those countries. Even after sending volunteers it is easy to forget about them. For example you are not interested as USSR in sino-jap war ending. You milk the war for military exp with your volunteers and attache. I often leave my mountaneer divisions on some hill or mountain ridge and they can hold entire japanese advance. But I usually have nothing to do during that time.
     
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  22. Malakal Arcane

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    Umm Spanish Civil war fires up in 1936 so commies and fascists can send volunteers, Japan vs China starts in 1937 so you can intervene there too. Democracies do get shafted tho but they were not known for massive intelligence before the war either so idk if that changes anything.
     
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  23. Space Satan Arcane

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    UK did have some intel. But democracies are screwed big time with sitting and doing nothing. Skilled Axis player can keep WT low long enough to prolong Allies period of idleness.
     
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    But here's a question: Is this going to force Kaiserreich to become fun again?
     
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