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Helherron - a very addictive Nahlakh-like game

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by evil rasta, Feb 11, 2004.

  1. The Red Knight Educated

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    I also haven't found a place to sell crowns to yet and wandering merchants don't seem to accept them, though I wonder if there's some requirement to have a high enough trading skill to "unlock" the loweset selling value first (my highest trading is 111 at the moment).

    Also read somewhere that you're supposed to be able to sell rings to the magic items merchant in the starting town, but no one there accepts them. Wandering merchants do accept rings though so maybe this option was removed because of balance issues (I once started with a -1 ring worth 1500).

    Japanese wiki mentions that "Hakkes Store" either southwest of or in the southwestern corner of Anhsirk (google translate was vague) buys everything.
     
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  2. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    Hello again.

    Is there a handy Manual PDF that describes some stuff like combat mechanics, status effects and such?
     
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  3. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    Major Thanks for the Awesome Player, who assembled this most professional HELP (Created from Josh's Helherron page). For the old Linux version, but still relevant and the whole map with dungeons is working, just click on it, then hover your mouse over points and bright white dots = stairs and click --> to take you further!

    If someone is proficient with HTML, please include this post from the developer, Antii, about

    Mind Penetration:

     
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  4. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    Hrmm. Thanks -
    But, a few more things:

    - Is there a description of the status effects somewhere?
    - How does the zone of control works?
    - What causes knockback?
    - What're these squares that sometime appear below the character icons in combat?
     
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  5. Gunnar Savant

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    I don't have any information other than what I learned playing the game, but I can tell you this:

    yellow - injured
    red - bleeding
    purple - confused
    blue - charmed
    green - poisoned
    grey - stunned

    Knockback seems to have a better chance to happen when a big and strong enemy hits a smaller, weaker enemy. When an enemy gets knocked back, it can collide with another creature and cause damage to them.
     
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  6. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    Now what would count as big\small, strong\weak.. Is it stat based or is it static when considering competing entities... Hmm..
     
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  7. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    In the help you find all status effects in color, just click on the bottom buttons.
     
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  8. The Red Knight Educated

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    This page can be google-translated to get some rough idea about them (some values might have changed). Spell effects are briefly explained in spell descriptions too.
    Reduces your movement points to 1 if adjacent to an enemy (no idea if haste affects the amount of points left, but 2-4 points always drop to 1). Enemies unable to act (like stunned) don't have ZoC. Stealth skill gives a chance of not losing movement points that way. Each move through ZoC is a separate stealth check. There doesn't seem to be any counter-stealth skill. Semi-related, [g]uard makes the character attack the first enemy that enters their ZoC (one enemy can trigger guard strikes from multiple characters). If the enemy hit that way isn't killed outright, they'll proceed to finish their turn with whatever movement points they have left (so either attack normally or attempt to move closer again if knocked back).
    Just my personal experience:
    Small strong party members seem to perform similar to normal-sized ones of the same strength. Different weapons (like dagger vs battleaxe, unarmed golems) seem to affect the knockback chance and distance - if not based on weapon type then maybe on damage dealt (the latter would go along with the knockback chance not being a binary always/never).
    More durable and/or hard-hitting enemies are less likely to be knocked back (goblin warriors and leaders vs archers, shamans and normal goblins). There's this too:
     
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  9. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    Gee, that Japanese page is really in-depth. And the translation works well too, which is great.
    Someone should just make an English version and be done with it.

    By the way- there seems to be a bug, the "Move without changing the facing" command just doesn't work. The facing still changes, even if I use it.
     
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  10. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    Colored status effects = just press X, if you see any on your character. You can read the meaning in same color on your character page.
     
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  11. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    I was wondering more about what each status meant - but the Japanese page took care of that pretty well.
     
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  12. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    I just sold a crown to Bombay the Alchemist in the main city - Galatako Castle. Bombay buys cursed items too, like Necklace of Enfeeblement.

    TIP:
    "This spell is too difficult for your character" - when you see this buy lots of Elixir of Learning and drink it with your character, until he / she will be able to learn the spell.
     
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  13. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    From my experience, learning does nothing for spells. Only magic or prayer skill helps.
     
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  14. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    Is there a use for unholy items?

    akuukka, lava on he'll doesn't do damage. I'm skipping most of the map since I don't have to follow land massed.
     
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  15. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    I just managed to beat the Goblin King!

    All I have to say is.. FUCK HOBBITS, TREACHEROUS FLIPPING FUCKS

    I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SAVE THE GAME
     
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  16. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    WOW! Treasure vault in the beginning city - Odreworld - was seriously worth it. I probably don't remember the loot being this good: I only could take out half the vault, the right side is still guarded. But I got heaps of money and all the guard's amazing equipment. Super powerful swords, shields, amulets, rings, gauntlets, full plate mails and I sold some and got 90K gold. Uhh.. All those vault-breaker scrolls of Blizzard, -summon Golem, -summon demon, -summon Nyocym, -mass haemophilia and -blood boil, Wand of Inferno was totally worth it! :D
     
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  17. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    This game is dangerously addictive..

    By the way, I remember talk going about Helherron 2. (About 5 years ago) how goes it's development?

    2 extra questions, btw:

    I've just installed version 2.103.
    - Is it okay if I transfer saves from 2.102 to it?

    - In 2.103, the numpad Enter key still doesn't work on the Tactics screen.

    EDIT: AAAAH FUCKING GODDAMN BUG MADE A DEAD GUY'S THING'S DISAPPEAR AGAIN

    HJOW DO I AVOID THAT

    I PICKED HIS SHIT UP AND IT'S GONE

    PLEASE HELP
     
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  18. Gunnar Savant

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    The same thing happened to me a few posts back. In my case the items were gone. You should save before battles and if that happens, re-load.

    I made a silver weapon of stunning at the artificer. Anyone have ideas for better weapon combos? I'm not sure what the different materials do.
     
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  19. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    In the Help file I linked a few posts back, if you click on weapons:

    Weapon Modifiers
    Modifier Bonus Other Bonus
    Rusty -2
    Sapphire -2
    Emerald -1 Double damage against ethereal creatures.
    Orcish -1
    Ruby -1
    Diamond 0
    Gold 0
    Huge 0 Heavy. Throws target back.
    Obsidian 0 Resist all: +10%
    Weightless 0 Weightless
    Elven +1 Light weight. Greater range.
    Iron +1 Heavy
    Silver +1 Double damage against the undead.
    Strong +1 Heavy. Throws target back.
    Dwarven +2
    Gnomish +2
    Mithril +2 Throws target back.
    Eternium +3
    Dragonscale +5
    Reinforced +5
    Holy *2+8 Light weight. Double damage against demons and the undead. Throws target back. (Damage is the base damage value * 2 + 8, so a Sabre would have a damage value of 18 = (5*2) + 8. Throw damage is +3 and range is +3.)
    Godly *4+32 Light weight. Double damage against demons and the undead. Throws target back. (Damage is the base damage value x 4 + 32, so a Sabre would have a damage value of 52 = (5*4) + 32. Throw damage is +8 and range is +10.) (VERY RARE!)
     
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  20. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    Search skill: Whoever gets highest intelligence, will have highest searching skill.
     
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  21. mercyRPG Arbiter

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    MOVEMENT POINTS BUGGED

    I enchanted rings of quickness for my halfling archer so he has 18 movement points and still can only shoot once per turn.
     
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  22. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    And another Q for me?
    About Rings of Duration..

    Does the Caster have to wear these, or the castee?
    I tried casting Magic Armor in both methods, and the spell duration seems to be similar, not doubled... Bugged?
     
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  23. Gunnar Savant

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    I did it! I defeated the guards in the starting town!

    My method: I used create wall to make a barrier so they couldn't attack my party. When one of the sections decayed I used a golem wand to make a golem stand in front of that spot. A single guard would then come forward and I beat on him with the golem and the rest of my fighters. Meanwhile, I used fungus on my spellcasters so they had plenty of MP and used firestorm/wound all/wand of firestorm on the guards. They would continuously use potions to heal but the one standing in the gap couldn't heal fast enough and would die. Whenever a section of the wall would decay I would immediately bring it back up. I repeated the process until all the guards were dead.

    The loot is... incredible! Much better by FAR than any anything found in the game so far. I'm rich! RICH!!! :bounce:

    Thanks mercyRPG for giving me the idea to go back and make the attempt, very worth it!
     
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  24. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    The game crashes if I select a buff to cast and press escape before choosing a target for the buff.
     
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  25. Jack Dandy Arcane

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    I fear I may have gimped myself by taking a Lizardman Monk.. He has good hitting chances, but he hardly does any damage! :(

    And it's weird- the stats screen says he should be the same damage as my 2-handed-axe wielding dorf.

    But everytime, each time the dorf hits, lots more blood spurts than when the monk hits.
     
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