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Editorial How Mass Effect challenged my definition of 'RPG'

Discussion in 'RPG News & Content' started by VentilatorOfDoom, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. VentilatorOfDoom RPG Codex Staff

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    Gamasutra has put up an opinion piece on how Mass Effect challenges the definition of what an RPG is.

    RPGs are movies now.
     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    More like successfully combining the worst of Western and Japanese tropes. Shooter mechanics, dumbed down fake 'choices & consequences', a story derpier than some of the derpest jRPGs, waifu-mechanics, a Western multikult obsession with homosexuality far beyond what you'd find in jRPGs, Jersey Shore muscleheads, and 'hard' sci-fi done badly.
     
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    If I were to compare the ratio of narrative time to actual gameplay time in Betrayal at Krondor, it is low compared to even first person shooters today.

    That's because BaK was still a pure videogame at heart, and not just a pseudo-movie.
     
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    silly goose.
     
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  7. Ermm Erudite

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    Truth to be told, I enjoyed FFVII story even more than ME.
     
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    Of course, even if you combine the "story" from all 3 ME, you don't have the same lenght as FF VII plot, neither half the impact that Aeris dying or Cloud going comatose did.

    All those VA, graphics, "emotional engagement", "choices" and whatever more BioWare is hyping about, and they still can't even get close to what a 16-years old PS1 game did by killing a party member I didn't even use. Or the main character dying in Chrono Trigger. But most game journalist must have been babies by that time, and no good game was made before the 2000's, so I guess is logic they don't remenber that.
     
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  9. deus101 Never LET ME into a tattoo parlor!

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    Actually...i sorta like his last point.

    "Thus BioWare's revelation that they're working on multiple different modes of gameplay for Mass Effect 3 makes perfect sense. They're trying to appeal to as many sides of the genre discussion as they can. "
    (BAH fucking background color shit)
    Now, if they try to accomodate the storyfags first....maybe there is enough room for us to make an effort to ship the game with ENTIRELY different mechanics for Grognards like us.

    I mean, yeah were not a cash cow, but it the extra sales could be produced by a little more effort, would they take it.
     
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    But since this is true of other games (that the author evidently has not played) which do the same thing much, much better (e.g. Fallout), how can Mass Effect be the best?

    If you really identify with Neo, is The Matrix a role-playing movie?

    If I do nothing in Skyrim except hunt animals and sell their pelts, is it a hunting simulator?

    What's really the difference between buying an ability in DX and buying kevlar in Counter-Strike? Or picking up a powerup in R-Type?

    World of Warcraft is far more popular. Once again the author fails at elementary logic.

    But I don't think Mass Effect is an RPG anyway. It's more like an action adventure game.

     
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    I thought the only gamasutra pieces allowed space in these hallowed grounds were sea's.
    And what the heck is up with all these ME news?
    :rpgcodex:
     
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  12. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    After the last article about ME being hard sci-fi I am completely out of rage.
     
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    AND a groundbreaking RPG. What else should teh Codex discuss?
     
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    I can't believe people are still munching over "do I play a role of Master Chef in Halo?" seriously. It had been an unfunny meme for half a decade already, for fuck's sake.
     
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  16. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    Rowan Kaiser's been writing a lot of horrible articles about RPGs lately. Good thing I get all giddy whenever I see sea tear him a new one each time.
    How does he know it's insulting if he didn't read it?
     
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  17. felipepepe Prestigious Gentleman Codex's Heretic Patron

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    True, sea is a BRO, fighting the good fight!

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    This is a good pic, you can see the RAGE in his eyes.

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    Sheesh, girls with facial hair are ugly. Someone should tell her to take a look in the mirror.
     
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  19. sea inXile Entertainment Developer

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    It's okay, I wrote more in comments than what's in his actual article. And yeah, I read his "Rhythm of the Quest" or whatever piece, that was terrible as well and kinda made me develop a grudge against him. When I saw this piece I knew to expect pain.

    You dudes are all bros, especially you curry.

    :codexisfor:
     
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  20. Stinger Arcane

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    Oh god....this is even worse than his Fallout 3 RHYTHM! column.

    :bro: for you Sea for such a great takedown of everything he wrote.
     
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  21. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Fighting the good fight with his words.
     
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  22. hiver Guest

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    How many times these exact same words come to me... daily.
    :)
     
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  23. Alex_Steel Arcane Patron

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    Games as in RPGames or games in general?
    Gamers as in RPGamers or gamers in general?
    Big difference.

    From the moment you see someone splitting something complex into two sides, you know this guy is an imbecile. Or a politician.

    He could put a tl;dr in the beginning with the following sentence as a header:
    "RPGs are only narrative or only mechanics. And I think it's narrative. Also I have a simple mind."
     
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  24. Spectacle Arcane

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    How Gamasutra challenged my definition of stupidity.
     
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  25. Stinger Arcane

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    Oh dear. He doesn't take criticism well does he.
     
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