Official Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

How much fantasy is too much fantasy?

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Tavernking, Apr 18, 2019.

?

Select your desired amount of fantasy in medieval RPGs.

  1. No fantasy

    12 vote(s)
    11.2%
  2. Low fantasy

    33 vote(s)
    30.8%
  3. Tolkien fantasy

    28 vote(s)
    26.2%
  4. High fantasy

    34 vote(s)
    31.8%
  1. Tavernking Don't believe his lies Shitposter

    Tavernking
    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2017
    Messages:
    345
    Select your desired amount of fantasy in medieval RPGs.

    No fantasy
    - e.g. Kingdoms Come Deliverance - set in a historical setting with no magic/monsters. Human race only. Anything 'made up creatively' is only done so out of necessity, and adheres to strict historical accuracy requirements.

    Low fantasy - e.g. Game of Thrones - a made up world but very low magic and very low monsters. Magic and monsters are often disregarded as myths by the human inhabitants. Dwarfs, elfs, halflings, don't exist or are extremely rare/remote.

    Tolkien fantasy - e.g. Lord of the Rings - magic is rare but known to exist. Only 0.001% of the population might know some magic. The world is full of monsters and various fantasy races, but it may take some travelling to see them. For example, the existence of elves would be common knowledge, but most humans would only see a few of them in their lifetime.

    High fantasy - e.g. Skyrim, Baldo's Gate, 99% of medieval RPGs - Magic is common and can be learnt by a significant portion of the population, or by everyone! Regardless of whether everyone can use it, everyone has seen magic being performed at least. Monsters are so common that there's probably a group of them right outside the city gates. Various fantasy races that are usually interacting with each other all the time. There are probably multi-racial cities where humans, dwarfs and elves live alongside each other.
     
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2019
    • Friendly x 2
    • Balanced x 2
    • Participation Award x 1
    • Cheers!! x 1
    • Agree x 1
    • Makes you think... x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. Sranchammer Arcane

    Sranchammer
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2011
    Messages:
    14,401
    Location:
    Former Confederate States of America
    Could you at least classy up High Fantasy examples with Steven Erikson or something?
     
    • Brofist x 2
    • Agree x 1
    • Prestigious x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • it is a mystery x 1
    • M'lady x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. GrafvonMoltke Learned

    GrafvonMoltke
    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2016
    Messages:
    102
    Location:
    Chow Mein Town
    Any/all
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Shit Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

    Ranselknulf
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2012
    Messages:
    1,867,982
    Location:
    Best America
    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy
    Any time an author tries to use medieval speak for "authenticity"
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Yes Yes x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. Puteo Learned

    Puteo
    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2018
    Messages:
    123
    I don't see an option for "Guns"
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    • Bro, do you even lift? Bro, do you even lift? x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

    ERYFKRAD
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2012
    Messages:
    14,962
    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Elves- TOO MUCH
    Elf- Too much
    Magic- Too much.

    Barbarians- Just right
     
    • Brofist x 4
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 4
    • Funny x 4
    • Racist x 3
    • FAKE NEWS x 1
    • No x 1
    • When words are not enough x 1
    • WTF am I reading x 1
    • Doggy x 1
    • Balanced x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    Delterius
    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2012
    Messages:
    9,008
    Location:
    Entre a serra e o mar.
    all fantasy has its place in settings made for them

    would love a game where magic needs lots of effort and ritual in a low setting tho
     
    • Yes Yes x 6
    • Agree Agree x 4
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  8. Saerain Scholar Patron

    Saerain
    Joined:
    May 27, 2011
    Messages:
    182
    I used to be pretty militantly against high fantasy and "no fantasy", but somehow I stopped caring. Even though it still seems like games are always one or the other.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  9. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

    ERYFKRAD
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2012
    Messages:
    14,962
    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Have a look at Outward sometime.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 3
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    ^ Top  
  10. Fluent Arcane Possibly Retarded The Real Fanboy

    Fluent
    Joined:
    May 3, 2013
    Messages:
    3,449
    I'm cool with pretty much anything, it's more about if the setting is well-realized and the gameplay is sound. That said, I'm a sucker for high fantasy, and like magic mixed with fantasy races and all the trappings that go with it.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. Jokzore Savant

    Jokzore
    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2017
    Messages:
    610
    Whatever level Conan is.
     
    • Brofist x 11
    • Yes x 4
    • Prestigious x 3
    • Agree x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • Excited! x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. Agame Arbiter Patron

    Agame
    Joined:
    Mar 29, 2015
    Messages:
    1,068
    Location:
    I cum from a land down under
    YES! Proper sword & sorcery setting is so under-used.
     
    • Agree Agree x 8
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • Yes Yes x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. Neanderthal Arcane

    Neanderthal
    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2015
    Messages:
    3,278
    Location:
    Granbretan
    The beautiful thing about Conan's Hyboria is that the fantastic is rare, and found only in far away places or legendary individuals but due to superstition and awe it echoes throughout the setting and sets a tone of exotic mystery that enhances the fantastic nature of the fantasy. A single huge serpent plucking a negro from the deck of Belit's ship serves as a far more stark and effective threat than a thousand orcs charging. Less is more and enhances the stygian, eldritch horrors when they crawl from their nighted lairs to lay ancient claws on the young, virgin soil that has never known their tread.
     
    • Brofist x 17
    • Agree x 3
    • hopw roewur ne x 1
    • Salute x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Yosharian Cipher

    Yosharian
    Joined:
    May 28, 2018
    Messages:
    2,060
    Location:
    Night City
    Wtf is 'Baldo's Gate'? Jesus christ
     
    • Funny Funny x 8
    • it is a mystery it is a mystery x 2
    • Rage Rage x 1
    • Doggy Doggy x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. Monkeyfinger Augur

    Monkeyfinger
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2004
    Messages:
    604
    Tropey high fantasy with a focus on exploration and combat over dialogue and lore dumps.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

    ERYFKRAD
    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2012
    Messages:
    14,962
    Serpent in the Staglands Shadorwun: Hong Kong Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    It's the sicilian bootleg version of Baldur's gate where instead of being a child of bhaal, you're the don's kid whom everyone wants to kill because you can talk without hand gestures.
     
    • Funny Funny x 18
    • nice nice x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. lukaszek the determinator

    lukaszek
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2015
    Messages:
    4,820
    i dont want to be a dragon
     
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. mondblut Arcane

    mondblut
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2005
    Messages:
    15,203
    Location:
    Ingrija
    The Silmarillion would beg to differ.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 3
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. Sheep Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

    Sheep
    Joined:
    Jun 15, 2014
    Messages:
    3,697
    Location:
    Hungry
    Dey al be like shieeet and shieeet
     
    • Bad Spelling Bad Spelling x 2
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. vortex Fabulous Optimist

    vortex
    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    1,811
    As much fanatasy possible to have fully functioning wizards.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    • Balanced Balanced x 1
    ^ Top  
  21. Momock Learned

    Momock
    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2014
    Messages:
    251
    No magical colorful sparkles for kiddies and faggots is the right amount of fantasy.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Edgy Edgy x 2
    • retadred retadred x 1
    • Doggy Doggy x 1
    ^ Top  
  22. anvi Liturgist Village Idiot

    anvi
    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2016
    Messages:
    3,044
    Location:
    Norrath
    I like fantasy worlds that look realistic with a bit of fantasy. What a stupid fucking thread.
     
    • Participation Award Participation Award x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  23. JarlFrank I like Thief THIS much Patron

    JarlFrank
    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2007
    Messages:
    23,445
    Location:
    Secret Lab of the Warrior-Magus of Esoteric RPGism
    This.

    I want more sword & sorcery RPGs, where the magical is actually magical and not mundane. Where you explore a labyrinth and fight the minotaur, rather than a minotaur of which there are many in the game and you can meet them in standard random encounters.
    I don't want to find swords +1 and +2 wielded by every bandit captain, I want to find the legendary Skullcleaver which has been enchanted by a powerful sorceress 200 years ago and which has some badass special effects rather than just a mundane +1 to hit.

    Make the magical cool and mysterious and build it up to be special, then actually make it special. When there's only one medusa in the game and she has a petrification attack that you have to defend yourself against by covering your eyes with your shield, and the snakes that make up her hair can attack you with a dozen strikes each turn, and she also uses a bow with poisoned arrows, and she has a horde of venomous snakes as her trash mob allies, that is going to be a much more memorable and cool encounter than regularly having random encounters against 3 medusas against whom you can defend yourself with easily available protection from petrification scrolls.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 17
    • Yes Yes x 3
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  24. laclongquan Arcane

    laclongquan
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2007
    Messages:
    1,867,084
    Location:
    Searching for my kidnapped sister
    Low fantasy.

    Set up a medieval world. Inject magic element where you plan to, and control its effect tightly, which is possible because low magic.

    Or Tolkien is fine, which is low-middle tier magic world.

    It's when they try to set up High Fantasy that is a problem. On the one hand, they dont have the logic, the knowledge, the skills to set up a fully 100% magic element civilization. On the other hand they dont want to emulate modern world but replace SF element with magic. (Or that they are unable to, it being a highly skilled activity).
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  25. Darth Canoli Arbiter

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    1,245
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    All of them if done skillfully with a good TB party based combat system.

    Sounds appealing, makes me want to read Robert E. Howard collected works all over again.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    ^ Top  

(buying stuff via the above buttons helps us pay the hosting bills, thanks!)