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Grand Strategy Imperator: Rome - the new grand strategy from Paradox

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by LESS T_T, May 19, 2018.

  1. Goliath Arcane Zionist Agent

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    This game is so fucking easy

    This is the easiest Paradox game I have ever played. Even starting out as a minor next to Rome isn't challenging. Even a filthy casual can rebuild Alexander's empire with ease.

    There is also so much wasted potential. Like in today's Florry stream it looked like he actually faced a challenge for once. But only for a second. All three pretenders (all siblings of the heir) were rich as hell and raised massive armies after the death of the king, massively outnumbering Florry's own army. It was 20K vs. 3 x 32K. Massive civil war incoming! Except.. all he needed to do was: Click "Bribe" three times, and "Encourage deserters" once and it was all over.
    :negative:

    This whole pretender / disloyal general/chief mechanic is a fucking joke right now because bribing is so cheap. There is no fucking threat at all!
     
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  2. Agame Arbiter Patron

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    Imperator: WIN BUTTON.
     
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    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Mana is one hell of a drug.
     
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  4. Fedora Master Magister

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  5. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Yeah. Basically the ONLY thing that is actually bad and hard to manage that I've found is corruption, since it causes lots of problems and can only be removed (AFAIK) by that one oratory idea. If you have that oratory idea you basically can't fail at internal management.

    Did an actual conquest-heavy game as Armenia on very hard. AE is definitely manageable up to at least 150 or so. You want to be the appeasing stance at all time to double your decay rate. You can annex around 1/3rd of the selucid empire in one go with a claim (don't take the claim so you can keep using it in future wars, obviously). AE increasing all power costs is full retard though.

    Funny enough its actually harder blobbing in Europe because the 1 million separate tags all are impossible to get enough stability to attack, while in the east you can take 5-10 full provinces in one go (usually only fighting a few mercs since the AI can't manage manpower for shit, of course).

    Can anyone tell me how the army system is supposed to function in theory? Because in practice all I do is spam horse archers. Anything else would slow them down, they fight everything at least 1:1 with the strategic bonuses and have absurd flanking power that wipes anything smaller than them (and with their speed they can easily mass up in a doomstack to overwhelm things).
     
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  6. Goliath Arcane Zionist Agent

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    I think it's unrealistic that if you play as Judea, you can't infiltrate Rome with agents and make them fight your wars for you.
     
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  7. Fedora Master Magister

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    The clan retinues of the Scythian tribes start out too big for the area they are in. Meaning you will suffer permanent attrition and loss of manpower. :lol:
     
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  8. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Deserts have a permanent 1% attrition at all times. Enjoy playing a nation with only desert.

    You can actually use the make friends action with any character in range, including rulers of other nations. But I don't think its really useful for anything, it only seems to give +25 opinion with that nation. Nothing significant in terms of getting an alliance, once you get AE everyone in the world has -200.
     
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  9. Merkwürdigliebe Arcane

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    Just wait for the next 20 dlcs to come out, surely it will be fixed by then for the low low cost of 19,99 a piece. Does anyone even still buy paradox dlc?
     
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  10. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    Usually every DLC Paradox releases breaks the game even worse and a mod needs to fix it.

    Not sure how it can get much worse than this though.

    I’m not thinking about getting a single piece of DLC until the base game is fixed. Even then, the only time I buy their DPC is at a massive discount.
     
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    You know it's bad when even normalniggers like Arch are complaining. :lol:
     
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  12. M. AQVILA Arcane

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    "EU4, base game without any of the dlc or expansions, good game."

    lolwut, we must not have played the same game.
     
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  14. Fedora Master Magister

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    Like they "locked down" the features for Stellaris?
     
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  15. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    EU4 had bad parts on release and most of those bad parts still remain. Imperator has many more bad parts and those parts will also probably remain.

    EDIT: Just to be clear, I don't think EU4 on release was good. What it was was EU3 with all expansions + some minor changes (most of which I think were bad, e.g. mana and the trade system). The issue is that Imperator: Rome isn't EU4 with all expansions + some minor changes, it's EU:Rome with some minor changes (most of which are bad, e.g. mana) and a shit load more provinces to create an illusion of content. And EU:Rome was weak on release due to being a shallow imitation of EU3 + what would go on to become CK2, so you can see how far behind Imperator is.
     
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  16. Life of the Party Arcane

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    I wonder if removing India would improve the performance. Wouldn't mind a mod that does it.
     
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    So it's a DLC delivery platform. Will wait for the super GOTY edition available 2054 when it's done.
     
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  18. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Watched the video and its stupid. Apparently the problem with Imperator is that Rome and Carthage don't have special NIs, they share them with their culture group. Wtf? That's irrelevant shit. That's the kind of crap someone at Paradox makes up over their lunch break and dangles in front of fanboy's noses to get their dick sucked in the forums.

    The only real problem he manages to hit is the awful building system. His complaints about combat and most other things are just him being awful at the game (not that combat doesn't deserve to be better, but if everything was copied straight from EU4 like combat was it would be a 100% better game). He probably never conquered more than one state. Apparently he's so awful at war that it took him 40 years to recuperate from a single one against a minor as Carthage. In that time I had a third of the Selucid Empire as Armenia.

    Not a mention of pops being awful altogether with moving and promoting them, or how assimilation/conversion is ridiculous (and mana-gated, in the worst way too since governors randomly die and you need to re-do it all), or how AE is ridiculously stupid, nonsensical, anti-fun. All important things you'd notice if you didn't sit for 40 years on speed 5 because you somehow pissed away 60k manpower.
     
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  19. Fedora Master Magister

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    Lumping in Carthage with some North African berber tribes is a pretty big fucking mistake as far as BELIEVABLE WORLDS is concerned. Same with Scythians and Persians or Etruscans and Romans. It just smacks of lazy design, most likely aimed at MP "balance" from the get-go.

    e: Actually it's doubly lazy because they had already hashed out the various cultural and religious differences and possible bonuses for the game with CK2 for the most part.
     
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    something I haven't seen anyone speculate is that some of these problems may be by design.

    all the simplifications, the instant claims, the lack of trade or government gameplay etc - yes, this could be incompetence or prep for future DLC, but this could all also be to support a casual multiplayer experience.
     
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  22. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    The point is that this is the kind of thing Paradox can patch in 100 new ideas for in a month, then these idiots will go "OK, game's fixed, everything's great because now Rome gets an addition +10% heavy infantry discipline". Meanwhile actual core, unchangable gameplay issues stick around forever, potentially infecting later games like how mana from EU4 infected Imperator, despite virtually everyone agreeing that its awful.

    I don't disagree with the general issue of a lack of favor, but Paradox wants to sell you that. Complaining about flavorless regions is effectively saying "yes, I want to buy the DLC Paradox has planned".
     
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  23. Fedora Master Magister

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    That's what I've been thinking as well. The lack of mechanics and differentiation goes beyond just DLC whoring. Notice how the country selection doesn't even have buttons for religion/culture. Notice how the only real differences between nations come down to size (which is often enough comparative - or BALANCED - within certain regions) and minor unit bonuses. There's barely any historical railroading, no lucky nations mechanic to make sure Rome gets big, no events for the Punic Wars and so forth, only the ones around the diadochi and those are more or less there to make sure people get claims on each other.
     
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  24. Fedora Master Magister

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    Mana was never going to go away, that much was clear from the start. The fact that the game relies even more on mana than EUIV however...
     
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    Plus look at the marketing: lots of streams with devs casually playing against each other. And female devs too.

    Don't you want a game to play with your friends? Don't you want to play a game that helps you meet girls?

    Who cares that it's crap? The masses will eat it up anyway, just like they did with Stellaris.
     
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