Game News inXile admit that Torment stretch goal content has been cut, including companions

Out of larger kickstarter rpg developers, inxile is clearly the worse at handling their community, even obsidian does a better job by the simple fact of having their developers engage several fan communities.

And its telling that even after releasing mod tools, no one made a single mod for wasteland 2, they failed to engage players and maintain an active forum.

 

There were mod tools for Wasteland 2?

 

He won't deliver Torment? How full of shit you are?

 

Oh, of course he can deliver "torment", but it's clear is he isn't going to deliver the torment people backed and owes to them.

 

The enhanced edition added official mod support. Not sure if they launched dedicated tools.

 

In principle, yes. In practice, I've backed a KS before where the developer grabbed the money and ran, and there's many others like that. OTOH, inXile is too big to pull that stunt off, but they have produced shitty games before (e.g. Hunted: The Demon's Forge), so it's not like it can't happen again.

Personally, I'm hoping they'll remove the crafting system entirely. Like a kebab in the balkans or a progressive with political power, crafting systems invariably lead to needless complications that require effort that would be better employed elsewhere. It's the sort of stuff that caters to the mongs that thought Fallout 4 was cool because you could build dollhouses and craft shit, yo. I'm more worried about the script being written in retardese as seen on Darth Roxor's recent article; it's like this guy I know who wants to be a novelist except he can't string two fucking sentences together and 80% of what he writes is superfluous (the other 20% are pronouns, conjunctions and prepositions), so he ended up going to a vanity publisher. Oh, well, in both of these cases there's a sucker involved, but I hope I'll be able to play T:ToN without caving my head in against a wall or something.

TL, DR: Every time I hear "crafting" and it does not involve physical tools and materials and the risk of horrific injuries by power tools, I reach for my Nagant.

 

Yeah "mods", like changing names and portraits.

 

HAHAHAHAHA. People backed whatever, the shit they imagined. I don't believe that there will be a single plerson that's gonna say. Fargo you did it just like I imagined. But I understand some specifications will be different, like in all products specs change from planning phase to release.

 

I'm talking about the "companies must make money" argument used to excuse dumb, broken, underwhelming or, in this case, incomplete games.

 

That's speculation at best or willful ignorance at worst. You have too little information on the whole project to make such statements about it being incomplete/broken. Additionally, right now you also do not know how the cut content would affect the overall quality of the product. Not saying that you could not be right (except crafting, that shit is ridiculous), but again right now you lack info.

 

Rather amusing to re-read the Torment KS campaign page now, after years have passed - and not just the stretch goals section:

 

If you believed that Fargo is gonna treat his each customer (there were what 74K customers) like a publisher you deserve to be robbed. That's like giving money to a gipsy and then waiting for your initial amount +interest.

Oh my codex, how dumb are you, how dumb does it gonna get here?

 

The complete game includes everything that was promised in order to secure funding.

 

Never said I did, although despite my usual cynicism about Fargo I guess I did expect a somewhat better approach to communication than what transpired. Still amusing to read that bs now though.

 

No such project exists. Not one project did deliver every thing that was promised (either the content or quality was missing). You expectations are unrealistic. Those KS promises doesn't make the game complete or incomplete it's just features that can be in/absent. Judging project completeness by cut content is like judging a meal by spices that were ommited in the cooking process.

 

We need that GAF rating, pronto.

 

We do have such a rating, look for this-

 

Now you're recycling Bethesda forum posters circa 2008.

 

So you retard are saying that projects should be judged, not by their quality, but by cut content? Just fuck off.

 

There's the rub. If someone owes you $100 and he only pays you $75, he has not fulfilled his obligations to you.

 

Read one post above.

 

It’s not about defending Fargo, it’s about making you accountable for your own fanboysm and irrationality. Fargo is a crook, InXile is incompetent, T:ToN will suck. That doesn’t change the basic facts, and the basic facts are these: the torment campaign had a lot of red flags, but you manage to ignore all of them because you were too happy to believe in a fairytale. It’s your own fault.

And there is this thing called “rationality”. Paying attention to the evidence, instead of relying on wishful thinking and following the herd like a gullible individual. You guys believed in the promises of a snake oil salesman and now you are complaining the snake oil salesman couldn’t deliver what he promised. That’s like complaining that the scorpion stung you. It’s his nature. You are the victims of your own gullibility. And I’m telling you, this will happen again because you give too much importance to pedigree and too little importance to facts.

 

Some promises are vague and subjective, e.g. "Infinity Engine spiritual successor" or "mature and compelling writing" or "a deep and personal story" or, for that matter "level of quality."

Some promises are precisely defined and measurable, e.g. "the Toy, a companion who's a blob which changes shape with circumstances," "a crafting system," or "a player stronghold."

I wasn't happy with the Pillars stronghold or its crafting system, and have criticised both extensively. However, I did not feel that Obsidian had reneged on their promises. They tried and failed, and over the next two years, did their best to patch up the holes. There's nothing dishonourable in that.

Had they just quietly dropped the stronghold, I would have been extremely pissed off. Dropping a feature explicitly promised to get you to give them your money is only acceptable if the alternative is not releasing a playable game at all. And if you've fucked up that bad, you owe it to your customers to have a damn good explanation.

 

I think during the next inXile kickstarter campaign the Codex should pledge a collective 5,000 $ and only pay 2,000 $ or less. After all, no project delivers 100% on its promises and I'm sure they will accept the lower amount as a fulfilled pledged. It's not like they will judge us by the money content we failed to deliver, right?