Baldur's Gate Is Viconia evil? and other Drow discussions

[Tyranicon]

Drow always were a cartoon villains. Oh, we are so evil we worship spiders and perform raids and have slavery. Oh we are so depraved that we often have orgies where drow males insert their pee-pee into drow female's no-no.
At their peak they stated a massive raid and failed because, well...sun. 1000 years of experience and this crap is everywhere. 1000 year old fighters die to some farmer's arrow. 20000 drow in their MAIN city presented as THE HEART OF EVIL EMPIRE, which is, like, Luskan and threat levels of syrian refugee sweden ghetto. Even Red Wizard fare better as evil organization, not to say Zhentarim.

Being mostly Chaotic Evil has its downsides... :D

The Druchii are better in every way. Except not failing, because they fail about the same amount.

 

[Space Satan]

 

[Cael]

It would be hilarious if that is what Viconia says to an Int <9 Charname :D

 

[Grotesque]

 

[underground nymph]

Also she can beat you to death with a one-handed war hammer.

 

[Cael]

Also she can beat you to death with a one-handed war hammer.

I remember the first time I played with Viconia in the party and Crom Fyer turned up.

"Damn it! Viconia is great. 19 Dex, Magic Resistance. But why as a cleric, she can't use heavy armour or even medium shields??? Damn her low Stre- hell-lo!"

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

 

[underground nymph]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

Who cares about some filthy peasants, right?

 

[Lacrymas]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

You brutally murder a lot more things before you encounter her, so stones in glass houses etc.

 

[Cael]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

After they beat her up, raped her and buried her alive. I wouldn't blame her for wanting to end them.

 

[ghostdog]

It's never actually clear what Viconia has done before you meet her. As a Drow she is the easy target to be blamed for anything and at the same time as a Drow she may have done much worse.

In BG1 when you meet her it seems like she is persecuted by the guard solely because she is drow, but If you charm the officer, he reveals she is wanted for the murder of a family.
In BG2 she reveals to the PC that she tried to live by herself peacefully in the wilderness and some nearby farmers realized she is a drow, they tricked her by faking good intent and then they beat her up, raped her and buried her alive, but she managed to claw herself out and took her revenge.

But that could also be a lie, as Jaheira points out. On the other hand she and Jaheira are always at odds, so who knows. If you romance Viconia at some point she even admits that she has bedded all kinds of filthy merchants in order to take advantage of them and that she has even murdered some of them in the end. But she could be exaggerating because she is also trying to break the romance. Viconia is very ambiguous, that's why I like her a lot.

That, and also because she's the best cleric in the game. Dat magic resistance is pretty sexy too.

 

[Neanderthal]

Its an Elf, burn it.

 

[underground nymph]

It's never actually clear what Viconia has done before you meet her. As a Drow she is the easy target to be blamed for anything and at the same time as a Drow she may have done much worse.

In BG1 when you meet her it seems like she is persecuted by the guard solely because she is drow, but If you charm the officer, he reveals she is wanted for the murder of a family.
In BG2 she reveals to the PC that she tried to live by herself peacefully in the wilderness and some nearby farmers realized she is a drow, they tricked her by faking good intent and then they beat her up, raped her and buried her alive, but she managed to claw herself out and took her revenge.

But that could also be a lie, as Jaheira points out. On the other hand she and Jaheira are always at odds, so who knows. If you romance Viconia at some point she even admits that she has bedded all kinds of filthy merchants in order to take advantage of them and that she has even murdered some of them in the end. But she could be exaggerating because she is also trying to break the romance. Viconia is very ambiguous, that's why I like her a lot.

That, and also because she's the best cleric in the game. Dat magic resistance is pretty sexy too.

With all due respect to Viconia, I can hardly imagine some farmers could handle a fight with powerful and cunning drow Cleric. Not to say they could’ve raped her (which is no doubt something that I can imagine). Sounds like bullshit, Vic.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It's never actually clear what Viconia has done before you meet her.

Charm the flaming fist guard harassing her and talk to him.

 

[Cael]

It's never actually clear what Viconia has done before you meet her.

Charm the flaming fist guard harassing her and talk to him.

He claims that, but he also attacks you out of hand unlike other Flaming Fists (e.g., the one just north of Nashkel). I am disinclined to believe him, particularly when Viconia later tells you that she actually liked the merchant guy she was accused of killing and he died of a heart attack.

 

[Nines_Anarch]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

Who cares about some filthy peasants, right?

Reminds me of:

You brutally murder a lot more things before you encounter her, so stones in glass houses etc.

Bitch pls

 

[rusty_shackleford]

. I am disinclined to believe him

He's charmed.
If he had an ulterior motive he'd tell you.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Viconia brutally murdered an entire family shortly before encountering her in BG

After they beat her up, raped her and buried her alive. I wouldn't blame her for wanting to end them.

I remember the assault and rape, but I thought they trapped her in a shed and lit it on fire? Anyway, I'm in your camp. Not what I would refer to as murder.

 

[Cael]

. I am disinclined to believe him

He's charmed.
If he had an ulterior motive he'd tell you.

Charmed means he tells what he believes to be the truth. If he is a racist who had been fed some bullshit lies, then he will parrot them. Viconia tells you that is the case: The family of the merchant made up the stories to get at her and his money.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

. I am disinclined to believe him

He's charmed.
If he had an ulterior motive he'd tell you.

Charmed means he tells what he believes to be the truth. If he is a racist who had been fed some bullshit lies, then he will parrot them. Viconia tells you that is the case: The family of the merchant made up the stories to get at her and his money.

imagine actually believing what a drow says

 

[Cael]

. I am disinclined to believe him

He's charmed.
If he had an ulterior motive he'd tell you.

Charmed means he tells what he believes to be the truth. If he is a racist who had been fed some bullshit lies, then he will parrot them. Viconia tells you that is the case: The family of the merchant made up the stories to get at her and his money.

imagine actually believing what a drow says

Imagine believing what a thug and a proven murderer says just because the other guy is black.

 

[Neanderthal]

Imagine burning the Elf.

 

[ga♥]

As long as I love Vicky and I always take her with me, in Bg1/Bg2, ANALmen is unfortunately superior ghostdog. But that's ADnD fault for punishing single class Clerics.

 

[CappenVarra]

 

[nikolokolus]

EO FTW