1eyedking Isometric gameplay can't hold a candle to first person real-time

[Lyric Suite]

First person view is more immersive if you are a LARPer. Now i like LARPing just fine, but to argue that it is a superior way to interact with a game its just asinine.

 

[CyberP]

First person view is more immersive if you are a LARPer. Now i like LARPing just fine, but to argue that it is a superior way to interact with a game its just asinine.

It is superior. It will no longer be an argument when occulus/VR comes into play. You'll be able to pick that shit up, fumble around with mechanisms and drop/break small objects due to poor hand-eye coordination, throw things about with varied force, brofist people, and will actually be doing it yourself rather than "execute command/click on this" of most Iso games. In first person you can see it up close, detailed. In first person you can see the fucking ceiling, or search under a bed with detail. You can see the smallest of objects such as a hidden switch behind a vase that opens up a secret area. It's a far deeper form of interaction than isometric or third person.

To argue otherwise is asinine.

You wouldn't be retarded if you weren't an idiot.

You're an idiot. I shouldn't even need to be explaining such things.

 

[Angthoron]

First person view is more immersive if you are a LARPer. Now i like LARPing just fine, but to argue that it is a superior way to interact with a game its just asinine.

It is superior. It will no longer be an argument when occulus/VR comes into play. You'll be able to pick that shit up, fumble around with mechanisms and drop/break small objects due to poor hand-eye coordination, throw things about with varied force, brofist people, and will actually be doing it yourself.

Haha, oh, to be young again. It's what, only ten years ago that I was looking at RB6 and thinking, "Man, just a couple more years and with tech advances this will be so amazing and interactive"

Also, please tell us more about superiority. What's more superior, apples, or perhaps oranges? Thief or Hitman? Lunix or Apple?

We'd love to hear your enlightened take on it, it's really changing our lives. I mean, I already appreciate Fallout 3 so much better now that I know that I can jump in it, and move some decor 'round.

 

[JarlFrank]

It is superior. It will no longer be an argument when occulus/VR comes into play.

You are one gigantic faggot.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Most immersive gaming experience I've ever had

Spoiler

After playing a while and getting hit in the face by my opponents, my eyes always start bleeding. The realism is amazing

This subject is giving me flashbacks to this faggot

 

[JarlFrank]

You wouldn't be retarded if you weren't an idiot.

You're an idiot. I shouldn't even need to be explaining such things.

Are you one of those people who find movies to be more immersive than books or comics, too, by any chance?

 

[Darth Slaughter]

It is superior. It will no longer be an argument when occulus/VR comes into play.

You are one gigantic faggot.

It's because you can understand him only in 3rd person perspective. Only he himself can experiece his life in 1st person awesomeness, and probably he will disagree with you because of that.

 

[CyberP]

I detect butthurt.

So, you're focusing on the immersion argument because the superior interactivity point cannot be disputed.

Yes, immersion is all in one's head. However, It's only logical that a game that strives to simulate real world rules to the latter and engage the player on a deep level is going to be more immersive for most SANE players than a game that cares not to do these things. Most players will find Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth to be far more immersive than mobile game x for example.

Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments. Perform this experiment and we'll see who is right.

 

[TheGreatOne]

Funny that you should pick a mediocre game with very linear level design, heavy emphasis on scripted scenes and not much interactivity as an example

 

[CyberP]

It would still turn up solid results.

I wouldn't call it mediocre either.

 

[JarlFrank]

So, you're focusing on the immersion argument because the superior interactivity point cannot be disputed.

Ultima VII.

 

[Zdzisiu]

I wouldn't call it mediocre either.

Because, once again, you are retarded.

 

[CyberP]

JarlFrank: Sorry, but no.

Zdzisiu: I enjoy a solid survival horror game that you dislike, therefore I am retarded.

Shut your hole.

 

[Dreaad]

I detect butthurt.

So, you're focusing on the immersion argument because the superior interactivity point cannot be disputed.

Yes, immersion is all in one's head. However, It's only logical that a game that strives to simulate real world rules to the latter and engage the player on a deep level is going to be more immersive for most SANE players than a game that cares not to do these things. Most players will find Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth to be far more immersive than mobile game x for example.

Scientific facts are verified by repeatable experiments. Perform this experiment and we'll see who is right.

That is the worst strawman shit I have seen. Also kinda silly to go on about "scientific fact" for your argument, when clearly by your own admission there is no such facts available.... so basically you are saying that: it is a fact that IF there was an experiment the facts would be in your favor . Well I think if the facts are that you are a moron, perform that experiment and we'll see that I'm right.

 

[TheGreatOne]

It would still turn up solid results.

As soon as I died trying a scene couple of times, figured that it was scripted in a certain way and that you would succeed only by doing certain things, my immersion was gone. I saw through the level design, the scripts, the enemy AI patterns and didn't approach the situation as in being the game character anymore, but on a very mechanical level, what to do so I can achieve a win state (or at least get to the next checkpoint).
I know most people here hate Errant Signal (for a good reason), but his video on photorealistic graphics made a lot of good arguments on why this whole debate is pointless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRTsl1jCqq8&t

 

[CyberP]

Debate? All I'm seeing from most is ad hominems due to butthurt.

 

[Dreaad]

Man we've tried to tell you multiple times, there is no debate. Isometric/1st person/3rd person it makes no difference when talking about vydia game immmmurshun. You yourself pointed out there is no facts on the topic. Just your opinion. We've heard your opinion. What you think you can change our mind by saying you're right and we're all wrong?

 

[CyberP]

Sure. I've made my points now. There are currently no facts on video game immersion I am aware of. Currently.
The logic is there though.

 

[tuluse]

Debate? All I'm seeing from most is ad hominems due to butthurt.

They're not ad hominems. That would be saying you're wrong because you're an idiot. We're saying you're an idiot because you're wrong.

It's just an insult.

 

[CyberP]

"Because, once again, you are retarded."

This was an ad hominem, among others.

And now my disc drive is refusing to work again. =/ Adding injury to insult.

Edit: awesome. I'll grab a no CD patch/crack and be done with it.

 

[Lyric Suite]

JarlFrank: Sorry, but no.

Zdzisiu: I enjoy a solid survival horror game that you dislike, therefore I am retarded.

Shut your hole.

You are retarded because you seem unable to tell the difference between actual substance and mere fluff. What you call "immersion" is nothing but pretend, and who the fuck give a shit about that except for a small child?

 

[CyberP]

. What you call "immersion" is nothing but pretend, and who the fuck give a shit about that except for a small child?

You fucktard. The majority of developers of your favourite games do.

 

[Lyric Suite]

You still don't get it. It is not the idea of immersion in itself that is questionable, but your conception of what constitutes it. Pretend is not what immersion is all about. It was fun enough as a kid to put on a cape and act like a superhero but i think i've outgrown that shit by the time i was six or something. As you grow older, you need a more substantive approach to your entertainment. Watching a stupid animation of your guy jumping over a ditch like in those idiotic Call of Duty games is neither immersive nor is it fun in any way. Its just boring fluff and mostly unnecessary. To cite a pertinent example, the original Thief lost nothing of the tension and coolness factor of clobbering a guy in the head simply because it didn't have some demented take down animation. How the fuck is that shit progress?

Ultimately though, no only have you failed to prove that immersion is the sine qua non of video gaming, but you have even failed to prove that first person view is inherently more immersive in and of itself. When i think of some of the most immersive games i've played, shit like Alpha Centauri or the first Fallout quickly come to mind. To be sure, there are many first person games which i consider to be immersive as well, but the underlying point is that immersion does not hinge on the perspective alone, or at all for that matter. And i certainly never recall thinking that any of those isometric or third person games could be improved by switching to first person, but somehow there must be a lot of faggots like you out there, since not even strategy games are safe anymore. Fucking basic RTS games have to have some half assed zoom option nobody is gonna use, 'cause you know, IMMERSHION. Fuck you.

 

[CyberP]

It's clear I am aware that perspective alone means shit, It's the cumulative whole that matters. First person nyan cat riding through Wolfenstien3D's levels isn't going to be very immersive for most. GTAV (third Person) is likely going to be more immersive than Minecraft (first person) for most because GTAV simulates the real world far better. First person perspective would only add to the simulation attempt.
Are we done here? I provided logic, and you just reinforced it: "immersion does not hinge on perspetive alone" <- therefore it does hinge on something (for video game it's realistic and/or engaging game rules & world), which was a point I already made.

I didn't spend two and a half years making design decisions with consideration for a believable and consistent game world for RPG Codex to say it's meaningless. First Person Perspective is part of that consideration because it is the closest view perspective that simulates human's.

We are done.

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Whose alt is this?

I think he's a snitch from the Eidos forums.
Might also be: Viktoria, Andhaira, Konjad, Drog and Thai organized crime leader Bang Cock.
Pick the best option.