JE was designed by retards.

"Originally, there was supposed to be a "main base", where you could train and spar with your followers."

Holy frig! that was cut like 3 months after the game was annoucned. Geez.. Besdies, that would be worse thannow because you would miss out on the kew comments (imo) of the followers that travel with you. ie. Dawn Star's comments to her 'father' at the end. I'd rather have that then followers that do things 'behind the scenes'. What is this? Mob Boss R Us!?! I like the idea of a stronghold though.

And, if the worst change you can think of was a cut stronghold that was pretty much just a random thought by BIO, and not a concrete plan then you are hopeless.

 

Pretty much. Which is why I don't buy games new and wait a while until I listen to people arguing its merits. Besides, almost all professional game reviewers/previewers are morons, but the target audience doesn't usually give a damn.

 

They made one really great game, BG II. they also made a passel of games that were OK, all the other DnD games. The way they did combat was always kind of lame, though. The star wars games look passable at best but obviously will pull an audience on the name alone, and only a complete retard would defend paying 50 dollars for a 20 hour game that sounds incredibly simplistic. They can milk reputation and marketing muscle a long ways, but when a company foist off crap which gets 'perfect' scores from idiotic magazines that are basically in their pocket, the whole industry suffers which is why we are seeing basically the death of PC gaming.

 

Volley Volley Volley get your facts straight here.

They had screenshots of the entire location, including statues of fallen enemies, housing for your followers, etc.

 

"They had screenshots of the entire location, including statues of fallen enemies, housing for your followers, etc."

It was cut early last year I believe which was not that long after the game was announced. To bring that up as as a criticism is reatrded epsicially since JE had maybe 2 major public cuts (the stronghold + follower missions). Everything else that was advertsied (outside of things thata re opinion like how 'fun' soemthing is) was delivered. And, the two thinsg youa re whining about were cut MONTHS before release and annoucned by BIO publically so there was no false advertising.

And, oh, it wasd cool for you to bump an ancient thread like this just to continue your embarassment. Ha.

 

Bryce = Saturday, april 30th.

Quigs = Sunday, May 1st.



Ancient?

 

I hope I am not responding to late to this and further set him off. After all, you responded 8 hours after me....

It does seem vol's lost any last vestige of sanoty at this point, no?

 

Of course, Volourn had no sanity to lose...

Afterall, I have a NWN mod thread here on the Codex. Only an insane person would do that...

 

Yes, lets rely on game fan scores. Ever notice how games are usually rated really high or really low? Its because people either love the game a lot (and rate it) or hate the game a lot, and rate it.

Those of us who wouldn't give JE more than a 7/10 rating don't vote, because the games isn't worth the time. It wasn't worth my money, why should I waste any time on it? This post is already too long, and you'll not understand the content (because you're a twit).

 

its not surprising if you look at statistics - the majority of gamers are under the age of 15... there is no reason why a child wouldnt like Jade Empire - unless they are an obsessed fan of RPGs and have somehow found a way to play tons of RPG games from the 80's through till today

people who are longtime RPG fans will not like it - at least not as a true RPG

the most serious fans will resent what it represents

 

"Yes, lets rely on game fan scores. Ever notice how games are usually rated really high or really low? Its because people either love the game a lot (and rate it) or hate the game a lot, and rate it."

No shit, sherlock. Thanks for telling me soemthing by 2 month year old niece knew 5 years ago.


"Those of us who wouldn't give JE more than a 7/10 rating don't vote, because the games isn't worth the time. It wasn't worth my money, why should I waste any time on it? This post is already too long, and you'll not understand the content (because you're a twit)."

a) As much as I'm a fnaboy of BIO; you are a BIO hater. Afterall, you actually think IWD series has more role-playing than the BG series as well as betetr stories. So, sorry, if I don't take your word for it.

b) You have a habit of spamming your disagreement of what I say. Afterall, you are a known troll.

c) 7/10? I hope that means you gave the KOTOR series a 6/10 and the IWD series 5/10? Otehrwise, it is obvious you should be sticking with DS type games as real role-playing games with depth and actual maturity ar ebeyond you.

Have fun.

 

I hate to argue with you Captain, since you and I have seen eye to eye on this topic, but the majority of gamers are of the 25 - 30 age group...and thats statistics.



Cheers

 

"its not surprising if you look at statistics - the majority of gamers are under the age of 15"

the fact you actually think this is true completely nullfies the other retarded parts of your post. Even Evog my bestest buddy knows the truth.

Besdies, REAL role-players - those who want deep, meaningful dialogue, and actual role-playing will praise JE for being the best BIO game to date as far as REAL role-playing is concerned. Not to mention it having actual role-playing depth that only a game like FO can beat.

Of cours,e then again, when you talk about 'serious' role-players you probably mean people who think tb combat = roleplaying or even worse those who think inventory tetris = role-playing.


R00fles!

 

The majority of gamers are aged 18-25, or 30, as EvoG stated. I just know it's not under 15.

 

It depends what you mean by gamers. Probably with consoles, the ages are much lower, but with pc gamers it is 20s-30s with quite a few older games like me thrown in, as well.

The problem is idiot publishers treat the PC market as if it were the console market, then they blame piracy when their ludicrous kiddy shit idea of a pc game flops, when older gamers are going to be much less likely to pirate a game, especially if it's worth a shit, and younger gamers with little cash wont think twice to pirate a game.

 

Maybe most gamers are <15, but most of thebuying public is >15, even >25. I don't know why gaming companies cannot seem to understand this. Especially given the way kids <15 behave one certainly shouldn't try to appease them the way gaming companies seem to do. As far as I know there are even gaming magazines that do have an audience which is 30+ on average.

As far as I can see from the reactions concerning Jade Empire in general, I get the impression that it's been nicely done, but that there isn't much depth in the game. Nice if you like KoToR-style games, but for BGI/II "fans" I think it's somewhat superficial.

Given the platform (X-Box) this might be understandable, but given the sales volume of the BG series, I think Bioware is going into a wrong direction. There's still alot of potential in BG-style games.

That's what pisses off most people in this thread I think; "dumbed down" or "simplified" games are seen (from a corporate point of view) as the way forward for RPGs, while a lot of the "fans" of this type of gaming don't want it.

Now don't get me wrong, from time to time it's fun to play a game like that, but I prefer some more "hardcore" RPG-style gaming.

Maybe things will turn around when some independant makes a hugely succesfull game or when a bunch of independants can generate alot of sales by covering the areas which are not catered for by the big/mainstream companies.

 

If a troll calls a troll

Who is the greater troll, the troll or the troll that follows him?

 

thats true - the buyers are in that age range... but the majority OF PLAYERS are much younger... i guess i should also specify that I am talking about gamers in general, in which console gamers MAJORLY outweigh PC gamers, which are older....

i should have been more specific i guess - parents are buying these games for their kids... thats why ratings can be important to publishers

 

maybe you will believe these guys :

http://www.theesa.com/facts/gamer_data.php

"For Computer Gamers...

* Thirty-five percent of most frequent game players are under eighteen years old.
* Twenty-seven percent of most frequent game players are between 18 and 35 years old.
* Thirty-eight percent of most frequent game players are over 35 years old.

For Console Gamers...

* Forty-six percent of most frequent game players are under eighteen years old.
* Thirty-five percent of most frequent game players are between 18 and 35 years old.
* Nineteen percent of most frequent game players are over 35 years old.
*
Males spend more time playing than do females, although the gender gap has narrowed significantly. Whereas in 2003, males spent an average of 18 more minutes a day playing games than did their female counterparts, today they spend only six minutes more each day doing so. Females spend an average of two hours more per week playing games now than they did a year ago. "

 

Thanks for disproving your own theory. You said the majority of games were under 15. Your own numbers show that you are a fool.

 

i was disproving the popular theory here that the majority is the 18-35 group

not playing semantic gymnastics with your retard ass... put it this way - i dont forsee myself addressing you anytime in the forseeable future.. so you may consider any and all of my statements completely irrelevant to your "situation"

just go off and enjoy your little world privately - leave me out of it

 

Hahaha. You prove yourself wrong, make yourself silly, whine about the evils of the world, then run like a little baby.

Space Captain: The majority of gamers are under 15 years of age.

Space Captain's Link: The above is statement is false.

 

Keep drinking moron. You're killing your own brain cells.

BG1 is one of my all-time favorite games. BG2, on the other hand, is not(not to mention I love MDK and MDK2). Liked KotOR quite a bit.

So much for me h8 of BioWare.

P.S. please point out anywhere I said IWD series has more roleplaying than the BG series. Love to see that. Better stories? Definetely said that.

Nope. KotOR 1 was about 8.5, KotOR2 was about 9.0. IWD1 was about 8.5, I gave IWD2's preview about a 9.0, but after playing the final release that became about 8.5 as well.

Jade Empire isn't mature. You're just so immature what little maturity is there you gush over and want to hang out with it at parties. You're like my sister's friends, except rather than being on my cock you're on Jade Empire's.

As usual, you're being a thrall. I hate Dungeon Siege, Diablo, et al. They suck, but only slightly more than Jade Empire.

I completed Jade Empire in 14 hours and 22 minutes. 14.5 hours. Let me restate that.

I completed Jade Empire in 14 hours and 22 minutes. I'm not sure whether that factors in the load times or not. It probably does. I reloaded 2 times, so tack on another 30 minutes per reload. I completed the game in under 16 hours. Lets say I didn't find all the side quests(fairly confident I did since you can't leave towns to roam), feel free to add on 3-4 hours of content(which I highly doubt). I completed Jade Empire in less than 20 hours.

Thats right, it took me less than a solid day of playing to complete a game. Thank you Blockbuster, you saved me $45.

The writing sucked. There was less roleplaying than your average MMO game and more than your average JRPG, which puts it about on level with what brain-damaged high school kids would hold as the pinnacle of RPGs (which makes sense since Volourn hails it). The combat engine sucked. The ambience was slightly better than average, I didn't feel like I was in any of the areas, just playing them. For those of you like Volourn, that means the game was not immersive. It was like I had to stare at a blanket and imagine I was warm, rather than put it around myself. Character generation was, as we say in english, lame.

I have a pitch for JE. "Lets make a fighting game, but limit the animations required per style to 3. Then, lets add in cheesy "force fields" for blocking the animation. To top it off lets add in bullet time... but we'll call it "focus" so people don't yell "bullet time!" Now we obviously need magic, so we can call it an RPG... lets go with "Chi" for added oriental flare." At this point the meeting turned into the monthly mutual admiration society meeting and there was much rejoicing.

In summary, don't waste your money buying JE. Go rent it and let BioWare feel the burn for unleashing the trash.

 

R00fles!

Keep spinning your rgave. the fact that you think the IWDs and KOTORs are better role-playing games than JE proves you don't kno whwta youa re talking about.

And, yes, you hate BIO. And, we both know why.

But, hey keep it up. KOTOR is better than JE. R0TFLMAO Only a FAKE role-player would think that.


"P.S. please point out anywhere I said IWD series has more roleplaying than the BG series. Love to see that.'

Don't lie. You know it's true.

 

You can get a pdf about the ages and buying figures here.

It says that 40% of online game players are female. That should get a few of you sweating.