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Kotor 1 destroys my brain cells. The pain... Aaaargh!!!

Discussion in 'BioWare' started by Kahr, Mar 13, 2017.

  1. YES! Hi, I'm Roqua Dumbfuck

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    I got the sarcasm and wanted to check out the game's information anyway since everyone is so hip to talk about it. Your post reminded me to look it up. I just reread it and I guess I can see what you are saying as it is dry. But, by not replying directly to you, and not calling you specifically a dummy I thought I was excluding you. A sort of "us" versus the generic "them." I'm not big on attacking indirectly. If I thought you really thought it was rpg I would have replied directly to you to tell you how you were wrong and stupid.

    But, since everyone always thinks I'm angry I know I have issues coming across in print the way I think I come across in my head (queue the witty responses - ha ha ahead of time). I don't know how to fix this and I'm too old to give it a serious effort. Maybe I just need to use more picture?
     
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  2. Wilian Arcane Patron

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    It has always baffled me as well how people could rank Academy so high whilst the true order of the games is Dark Forces 2 > Outcast >>>> Academy

    To me, Academy felt extremely floaty in terms of gameplay all while it dumbed down everything there was about Lightsaber combat and also negating any other gameplay with other weapons. Worst offender is probably how you could get off all the combo moves with just random spastic clicking of buttons. Unlike in Outcast. In that game, if you wanted to do overhead spin, roll stab or any other move it actually required timing and aiming whilst in Academy it was all "hit them roughly in very flexible timeframe and you pull it off".

    Outcast was a good game on it's own terms but no game overcomes Dark Forces 2. From it's cheesy yet extremely Star Warsy live-action cutscenes to level design that is most likely never surpassed to this date to some of the best movement physics in any game this game just oozes both class and quality. And that's even without touching it's combat where every weapon has it's place and purpose, with their alternate functions offering various forms of approach and meaningfully so because:

    Lightsaber, it's not actually OP weapon of the prequels. It's the meaty, heavy weapon it was meant to be. Without proper handling you were simply better off using weapons. Whilst DF2 does not have fancy combos it overcomes it by the fact that you actually need to have some perspective and capability to actually handle it. Manual aiming for shots taken at you instead of auto deflect, unable to deflect overwhelming fire, to be effective with beyond normal weapons you need to utilize the Force Powers. It's just all out best implementation of the original idea of Lightsaber.

    DF2 just oozes Original Trilogy from every orifice (even if cheesier) and does so while being extremely competent game on it's own right that should be ranked far beyond the linear shit like Half-Life 1 which it actually preceeds by a year or so.
     
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  3. circ Arcane

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    In KoTOR 1's defense, atleast it's finished and coherent. KoTOR 2 starts out alright, then at some point it gets dementia and starts walking backwards whilst soiling itself.

    I don't remember Academy. I liked Dark Forces 1. And Jedi Knight 1? I don't know I used to have lightsaber duels with guys over the internets.
     
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  4. Cudgel Learned Patron

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    Have you played Kotor 2 with the restored content mod ?
     
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  5. circ Arcane

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    I have actually. All I remember is getting ambushed by hk-47 clones every 30 minutes.
     
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  6. Cudgel Learned Patron

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    Well in my recent play through it felt decently coherent (it has been far to long for me to compare to my first play through).

    The added HK stuff was alright till you ended up in the factory, that part was cancerous.
     
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  7. M0RBUS Augur

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    No, not dated, nobody cares about dates, HoMM3 has dated gameplay and it's still some of the most fun I've ever had in a game of that genre and I'm playing it for the first time now.
    KotOR has bad gameplay. Not dated. Bad. Back then it was bad. Now it is bad. Just as bad. Not better, or worse.

    KILL ALL THE CALENDARS!!!!!!"12

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    Also, I must say I played through KotOR once and loved it to bits. I was 16 was talking out loud to my characters. That improved the experience immensely.

    :EDIT:
    I'm not saying KotOR is a good game or a good RPG. KotOR2 blew it out of the water, even in its unfinished buggy state.
     
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  8. I want to be Life Coach Grorious Reeeeeder Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    I tried to finish the kotor games, but I gave up quick on each. Looking back, the only Star Wars games I ever returned to were the first two Rogue Squadrons. None of the characters or orientalist philosophy appealed to me, I guess.
     
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  9. mbv123 Savant

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    I remember doing my first run of KOTOR 2 TSLRCM without knowing anything about the HK factory. I didn't use HK at all and he had shit equipment and shitty build. Now I'm thrown in and forced to massacre 50 HK droids all on my own. Ended up finishing it just barely by running to the controls so I can destroy the factory, using all my repair and construction kits on the way.
     
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  10. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    Yeah that HK factory is one of the worst mods out there. Repetitive battles and constant back tracking. Shits terrible.
     
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  11. Iznaliu Arbiter

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    Tilt your screen to the west.
     
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  12. I want to be Life Coach Grorious Reeeeeder Patron

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    The orientalists are Westerners. What I need is a south facing window, so the glare of the sun won't obstruct my view, otherwise I would.
     
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  13. Iznaliu Arbiter

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    Smash your screen into four pieces and point each one in each cardinal direction so you get the best of both all four worlds.
     
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