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Game News Larian is making Baldur's Gate III

Discussion in 'RPG Codex News & Content Comments' started by Infinitron, May 30, 2019.

  1. hexer Arcane

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    I'm not even sure what's being discussed here anymore...
    If we're looking for the king, it's Pokemon!
    https://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Best_selling_RPG_games

    Baldur's Gate was a popular 90s franchise.
    Ray Muzyka said in a 2005. interview both games sold over 5 million units.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20071023215138/www.xboxgamers.com/index.php?do=viewarticle&id=1889

    That was 14 years ago and without Enhanced Editions.

    SteamSpy says Divinity franchise also sold millions and it's a popular 2010s RPG franchise.
    https://steamspy.com/search.php?s=divinity

    There you go, every franchise was/is popular in its time.

    To me this discussion looks like DOS fans are pissed because Larian is working on some 90s franchise sequel while they're waiting for DOS 3.
     
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  2. vortex Fabulous Optimist

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    They have a lot of people at the studio so DOS3 may be in the works already.
     
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  3. Father Foreskin Learned

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    I hope Aerie is in the works so some nostalgiafag can get a hefty dish of shit again
     
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  4. Jedi Master Radek Arcane

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    What if Sawyer is a Martyr who sacrificed himself to end RTwP for good?
     
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  5. Falksi Arcane

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    A minor tweak I'd like to see is the option to obscure alignment.

    Personally I'd sooner let personalities dictate how I feel towards a party member, rather than being told they're one thing or another.

    Would also be nice to see folk of the same alignment conflict with each other. Just coz 2 chaotic good people meet doesn't mean they'll get on. Yes there's more scope for common ground, but its still not a given.
     
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  6. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    lots of companions in BG1 of similar alignments didn't get along. Nobody really liked Tiax or Quayle at all iirc. Xan wasn't particularly well liked by anyone either.
    One of the most extensive pairings was Edwin and Alora -- their alignments are complete opposites.
     
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  7. Riddler Augur Patron

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    The order of magnitude of the success is completely different though.

    Baldur's gate 1-2 were massive hits back in the day that dominated the conversation about western RPGs and is consistently rated as one of the best (if not the best) game ever in a multitude of lists to this day.

    While DOS 2 was successful for Larian it is not even close to being among the top RPG franchises or releases in recent years. So DoS 2 sold 2 million? New Vegas sold almost 9 (a game made 18 months on a relatively small budget), fallout 4 sold 15, Skyrim and Witcher 30m+. The market is a shit-ton bigger these days.

    2 million is obviously a massive success for a mid-sized company in a relatively niche genre these days, but not in terms of the overall market, even for RPGs (although it definitely is the biggest hit in the turn based RPG market).

    Larian wants a more mainstream hit and therefore develops a game for one of the most beloved and well-known franchises in RPG history (d&d and baldurs gate). Why else would they pay the licensing fees?
     
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  8. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    You're comparing the sales of a game that came out during early 2000, to one that came out 2014-2017. If you can't see the difference in games sold during that era, along with advertisement, digital distribution AND console, then I'm a slight bit worried. Baldur's Gate (especially II) had a much bigger impact than D:OS and D:OS2, and it reached a much higher acclaim.
     
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  9. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    We already had this argument, and D:OS2 didn't release for console until late 2018, well after the first month of its release.
    This site has largely stuck its head in the sand with regards to how much acclaim DOS2 received, and how well it sold. It's like arguing with a brick wall -- because the consensus is the game is disliked here it must have done poorly.
     
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  10. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    I'm not saying that D:OS and D:OS 2 didn't receive acclaim, and I'm not saying that they're bad games, but you can't honestly believe that D:OS has been more influential to the genre, or that it received more universal acclaim. It is a good game (some would even say great), but it's not a milestone for the genre, and I highly doubt it will be spoken about 20 years from now like Baldur's Gate is. It isn't a Diablo, Morrowind/Skyrim, Final Fantasy 7, Baldur's Gate, etc. As you can see with the examples of Final Fantasy 7 and Skyrim, receiving more acclaim doesn't translate to being a better game.
     
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  11. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    You're right.
    Nobody will ever look back on D:OS2 and think "Wow, that game ruined the CRPG genre for 20 years with RTwP garbage."
     
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  12. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    Let me quote a post from you.

     
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  13. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Are you implying I'm wrong?
     
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  14. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    I'm implying that you are biased. You have your own personal opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that.
     
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  15. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    RTwP being garbage isn't a personal opinion, it's a fact.
     
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  16. SionIV Erudite Patron

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    Mark Twain (I'm not sure if he had the original) has a very good quote to describe my situation right now, so I'll leave it at that and follow his advice.
     
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  17. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    Games on consoles sell more copies(Less than 1 in 3 Witcher 3 copies sold were on PC.) and older games have had more time to sell copies especially as their price has dropped. Is there any other ground breaking revelation you want to inform me of?
    Also, the Witcher figure is bullshit. It includes all Witcher games, the first two you could pick up for less than a dollar for years now.

    D:OS2 is one of the best selling PC RPGs of all time, even if it's essentially the youngest 'big hit'. How do I know? Steam had a data leak in 2018. D:OS2 had 1.7m copies sold on Steam -- with no EE, no price drop, less than a year after release, and barely any sales by this point.
    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...-precise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/
    Go ahead, count the non-MMO RPGs ahead of it in copies sold. It's not a very long list, even shorter if you're a 'purist' who doesn't think games like the Borderlands series are RPGs.
     
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  18. SionIV Erudite Patron

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  19. Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Cipher

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    Aside for the fact that the wording was stupid and sensationalist in the first place ("1 in 3 copies" is precisely what you would expect when a game released on THREE platforms) that information is also out of date.
    Just recently in their financial report CDPR pointed that lifetime sales of TW3 have the PC as the leading platform, with almost half (45%) of the total sales.
     
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  20. vortex Fabulous Optimist

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    You talk heresy here.
     
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  21. Jedi Exile Arcane Patron

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    I wonder why Larian is making Baldur's Gate 3, and not Obsidian, which would be an 'obvious' choice.
     
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  22. Falksi Arcane

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    Course. Been a long time now since I played it, good to see my thinking is ahead of it's time.
     
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  23. TheSentinel Arcane

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    'Cause Larian made a very successful game followed by an incredible sales hit in a niche genre while Obsidian made a very successful game followed by 2 gigantic flops.
    And Feargus might've burned bridges at WotC.
     
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  24. hexer Arcane

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    Maybe devs have PTSD or bad experiences with WotC from the Black Hound and don't want to go through that again.
     
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  25. Ismaul Arcane Patron

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    Infinitron since when do you openly dislike RTwP?

    How are you going to maintain your rep as an Obsidian / PoE shill?
     
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