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Baltika9

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Probably because what happened here is extremely abnormal and has never been seen before. Come on, dude, teleportation? Shit's getting crazy now.

And if Wang was about to self-destruct or go berserk and Shagguan would clearly see this, he wouldn't be running up to Wang in such a situation, would he now? No, I think that this is a bit of unfounded paranoia.
 

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Of course if he really is going to go beserk or explode or something it may be better to pull back for now just to find out what is going on if nothing else. Maybe B is the wisest path here?

If Wang has gone evil or something then we should go try and find Yang as he is the only man that could possibly stop him now... perhaps a little healthy paranoia is justified given the situation.

Maybe we could even get him to teach us a few Manly techniques in exchange for a barbecued GFF?
 
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Elfberserker

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Maybe we could even get him to teach us a few Manly techniques in exchange for a barbecued GFF?

Maybe one of Taishan seven youths? It's not like anyone notice, if taishan on or three are missing.
 

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No, we are right to be worried. Wang may not blow up like some sort of human explosive, and I'm inclined to believe it really is Wang, but there's definitely something worrisome going on - e.g. he has basically killed himself to cripple Ahura. There's nothing to back up Baltika's laid back reading, the Sword Saint's behaviour alone confirms it in terms of what information treave feeds us through updates. You don't set up all that just to say later "oh he's fine he was just real tired from all that badass".

I don't think we have enough information to guess what exactly ahppened to him, yet. It could well be that Wang had to pull off whatever he was investigating re. Jing's qi, and the way that his move worked on Ahura's qi / meridians seems to make this reading at least somewhat likely. But we don't know what exactly he did to do this without having our qi, and it almost certainly is a very dangerous and costly thing for him to do for him to turn up now and unilaterally exercise it. The anime deus ex machina style instant group teleportation also seems pretty off the charts compared to all the martial arts abilities we've seen throughout this entire LP.

Ultimately, I think it's Wang, I don't see why some random new evil dude would masquerade as Wang at this moment, and I think he's basically going to die, or cripple himself, to wrap up the conflict. I think it's less likely that there will be an explosion or whatever that puts Yunzi et al in lethal danger.
 

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I don't think we have enough information to guess what exactly ahppened to him, yet. It could well be that Wang had to pull off whatever he was investigating re. Jing's qi, and the way that his move worked on Ahura's qi / meridians seems to make this reading at least somewhat likely. But we don't know what exactly he did to do this without having our qi, and it almost certainly is a very dangerous and costly thing for him to do for him to turn up now and unilaterally exercise it. The anime deus ex machina style instant group teleportation also seems pretty off the charts compared to all the martial arts abilities we've seen throughout this entire LP.
He used the same thing Lord Zhang used to cure us of our qi problems. Unlike us, however, Ahura Mazda has (well, had) a very well developed neggong and to shatter that was like shattering a huge pressurized cylinder, compared to Jing's much smaller (at the time) qi. That, and our character is rather unique.
Ultimately, I think it's Wang, I don't see why some random new evil dude would masquerade as Wang at this moment, and I think he's basically going to die, or cripple himself, to wrap up the conflict. I think it's less likely that there will be an explosion or whatever that puts Yunzi et al in lethal danger.
Which is exactly;y what I'm saying: there isn't going to be an Evil Wang or a Big Wang Bomb, the old man just pushed his body to the limits and achieved superhuman feats and may very well die of old age or be crippled for life from the exertion. I was pointing out that the panicking about OHGOD WE'LL DIE IF WE STAY HERE! was out of proportion.

And, in the end, if Shagguan saw a self-destruct coming, I doubt he'd charge forward to get blown up or slaughtered by Evil Wang.
 

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Yeah I really doubt Wang is going to blow up or go crazy. I think the danger is more to himself than anyone else right now.

I think we can all agree that a CHAPTER END is imminent (as in the next update or two). And we know that those tend to involve time skips. So Nevill, I think your idea of holding on to Yunzi, pumping her for information, and then convincing her through word or deed that she isn't needed with the Fire Cult is a pipe dream. There simply isn't going to be enough time. Besides, treave is known for good C&C. Picking something that you know will antagonize Yunzi and then expect to be able to avoid the consequences through a future choice is unreasonable.
 

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It's not actually teleportation, the movement was physical and not instantaneous. It's just the application of Taiji and what he derived from his meditation on your nature performed on a mass scale, separating two opposing forces on a battlefield by exerting his qi. The technique is responsible for the pattern carved into the ground.

Off the charts, yes, it's meant to be, but it's still not teleportation.
 

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treave, would you mind clarifying this again:
Now ideally I would suggest going with her to better negotiate a deal, she would be more open to help if we did not hold her against her will and I still want to know about the Cult. Hopefully the Temple Lord dies and she takes control, if not we may still be able to negotiate with the man now that he has been permanently humbled. Now we would still be risking our life and Quilin and Cao'er's safety but I think it would be worth the risk to try and secure another ally. So if it is possible I would go with option D, take Yunzi back to her people but offer to go with her and use our Wudu and Imperial connections to try and save these people (no idea if this is possible though).
Yes, this is exactly what I would like to see. Let us help you already, woman!
Is this proposed option D a possibility if we go with C, or do we absolutely have to vote for D if we want to stick around and help Yunzi? There is a misunderstanding, again, that C has us escorting Yunzi all the way across the field and just washing our hands of her and the Cult after that.
 

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Oh, so that was the one based off of Jing's qi, not the one where he blew up Ahura's meridians? Okay then.
 

treave

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That one, too.

And regarding the D proposal, it depends on whether Yunzi allows you to follow or help her, doesn't it?
 

Baltika9

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Ah, so whether or not D is possible, we still have to do C first and then see if she wants our help in the first place. Well, it's better than forcing ourselves on her, and she does seem to consider us a friend, if her intervention is anything to go by.
 

Fangshi

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treave said:
it depends on whether Yunzi allows you to follow or help her, doesn't it?

Does Jing have any intention to ask her if she would like help? She already knows we work for the Prince but does Jing think she is aware that we could actually help her people?

I am just trying to get a better grasp of his mindset in C before I consider flopping.
 

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If I'd see an old man about to collapse from exhaustion the last thing I'd say is "Something is not right". Besides, Wang is just staying there, unmoving. He's not falling down or anything.

Also why would Jing have a bad feeling about Wang dying of over exerting himself? We thought him dead up till now and there's nothing unusual with someone using more force than he can control and biting the dust afterwards.
or mby he is already dead and thats why he isnt moving. Necro-fu forbidden tech kicked fire lord ass and killed user.
 

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He'll help her if she lets him. She should know the amount of political clout he can have, particularly since his best friend is about to become Emperor. No one could have missed that particular piece of news.

But that's still her decision to make, in C at least.
 

Fangshi

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treave said:
He'll help her if she lets him. She should know the amount of political clout he can have, particularly since his best friend is about to become Emperor. No one could have missed that particular piece of news.

But that's still her decision to make, in C at least.

Alright, flopping to C then. She is stubborn but she is also smart and not unreasonable I think she will be open to accepting help. Provided the GFF does not overrule her or something horrible does not happen during our little walk.


Jester said:
or mby he is already dead and thats why he isnt moving. Necro-fu forbidden tech kicked fire lord ass and killed user.

So you are saying that Evil Wang is dead... that he is in fact the Evil Dead... groovy.
 

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I somehow missed the part where it said that we escort Yunzi over to the Fire Cult. I was thinking that we'd just be saying 'Run along now, you little scamp!' and directing her towards them while staying on the Orthodox side.

I'm flopping now to C>B.
 

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C We haven't been the type to force Yunzi, and we're not about to start now. Besides, since the Fire Lord just got ruined, Yunzi is in a good position to take over the Fire Cult, which works for us.

Also, Cao'er and Xu Jing are probably critical to reviving Wang Zhengchong. Cao'er is the best healer around, and if Wang just devastated himself with chaotic qi, then Jing would have to leech it at the points that Cao'er indicates. In that case, C is the only option that will let us do this, since with an A vote we will be stuck covering for Yunzi and in a B vote we will be gone.
 
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treave

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Nevill - A
Anabanana - C
Rex Feral - B > C
Azira - A > B
asxetos - A
RealDDc - A
Zero Credibility - C
Baltika9 - C
Jester - C > A
Elfberserker - B > A
ERYFKRAD - C > A > B
Smashing Axe - A > C
ScubaV - C
XenomorphII - A
Esquilax - C
Lambchop19 - A > B
The Brazilian Slaughter - C
Fangshi - C
Kipeci - C > B
Bloodshifter - A
Kashmir Slippers - A
Absinthe - C
kazgar - C
profreshinal - A
Tigranes - A
GreyViper - A
TOME - A

***

Current tally:

A - 13
B - 2
C - 12

Post-flop:

A - 14
B - 0
C - 13
 
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Absuinthe said:
Also, Cao'er and Xu Jing are probably critical to reviving Wang Zhengchong.
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In that case, C is the only option that will let us do this, since with an A vote we will be stuck covering for Yunzi and in a B vote we will be gone.
Leaving now would be silly (and wang might taiji us back to the same spot anyway, lose rep for no change!)
Wait, how does C imply staying?

You won't let Yunzi stay among orthodoxes any longer so that she wouldn't get in trouble, so you will release Yunzi immediately. She will leave for her people. You'll be escorting her, so you will have to go with her. How would you then be able to stay?

A is staying, B and C is leaving while keeping Yunzi or releasing her.

Unless you think that C is 'releasing Yunzi only for her to stay in the midst of her enemies without you covering for her in any way'.
 

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