[LP CYOA] 傳

This is a really good build, man. However, since we've managed to put together a compromise on the time frame (finally!), we really shouldn't go past 24 months and stick to that limit. That is the only time frame that most people seem to be reasonably content with, so as a result, we'd probably have to get rid of the Shouwang Claws boost, as much as it hurts to do so.

Another alternative is to replace Kenjutsu and remove the Reikan upgrade for the general +1 Sword training, but you seem pretty firm on wanting the Japanese sword style, so I'm pretty sure you wouldn't go for it.

I'm sorry, I guess that's where we have to agree to disagree. You're adamant about the STR boost, I'm adamant about the END boost and it looks like we can't convince each other in that regard. As for leeching, I don't think that we can leach qi if our own qi is blown out or inactive. treave can confirm this, but I think the drain also requires use of our own qi as well.

I think you're build is still really good and I won't be too butthurt (only a little) if the +1 STR wins out.

 

Not quite.
The next sword tech we learn will automatically come with +1 swords.
That means the regular training will keep the status quo for now, to get us 7 in Swords next time we come upon the sword tech
On the other hand, if we get Minamoto tech, the next time we pick another sword tech, we'll only be at 6.

But that is probably nitpicking.

 

Not voting for a package. I stand by my prioritised wish list.

 

I-it's just two months... why... F-fine, I'll vote on a modified 24 hour package later, just... just give me some time to mourn, please.

 

I made a quick edit stating that you could get rid of Reikan and swap out Kenjutsu for the all-purpose +1 Sword upgrade that is only 2 months, and you can keep the Shouwang Claws that way, but I'm under the impression that you want the Kenjutsu style even more than you do the Shouwang Claws upgrade.

 

It's not godlike, stats are not the same as skills. 11 is master level, less than that is not. Jing will have effectively two endurance upgrades over the last time he blew out his qi AND the ability to drain some, but we'd still be stuck with strength that it's definitely clear is not breaking through against guys like the Guardian of Metal as we saw just now, and who even knows with the types like Guo Fu or that Bookwise Mountain Man if they continued their training?

 

Yeah, I'm debating these two choices right now.

 

Well here is my over emphazize tech packages.


Elfberserker's reckless unarmed technique mastery

8. ‘Practice’ sleight-of-hand with Qilin... (Sleight-of-Hand +1, 1 month)
14. Intensive hand-to-hand combat sessions with Zhang Jue. (Unarmed +1, 6 months)

17. Learn the Wuni Fist technique devised to counter Shaolin. (3 months)
18. Improve your understanding of the Chuzhan Fist technique. (2 months)
19. Improve your understanding of the Shouwang Mad Claws technique. (2 months)
21. Attempt to learn a random new technique of Zhang Jue’s choosing, that he created from his travels in Nippon. (2 months)

24. Further improve your handling of Ruanhong Zhusuo, the spider silk threads. (2 months)
22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)

25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months) 6 months

Fuck, I miscounted the months. Yh give me a sec

Elfberserker's reckless sword technique mastery

3. Intensive basic saber training. (Saber +4, 1 month)
13. Intensive sword training with Zhang Jue (Sword +1, 2 months)
15. Learn the rare Minamoto-style Kenjutsu focusing on quick draws and flowing attacks from Yorimitsu. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
16. Learn the Fanfeng Feixue Sword technique devised to counter Huashan. (+1 Sword, 3 months)

20. Train to create a new self-taught sword technique based off the Yuchang Sword. (+1 Sword, 3 months) 12 months
21. Attempt to learn a random new technique of Zhang Jue’s choosing, that he created from his travels in Nippon. (2 months)
22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)

25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months)

Oh for love of the god, how did I got this so wrong.

Elfberserker reckless Fist and sword technique mastery

3. Intensive basic saber training. (Saber +4, 1 month)
8. ‘Practice’ sleight-of-hand with Qilin... (Sleight-of-Hand +1, 1 month)
13. Intensive sword training with Zhang Jue (Sword +1, 2 months)

15. Learn the rare Minamoto-style Kenjutsu focusing on quick draws and flowing attacks from Yorimitsu. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
16. Learn the Fanfeng Feixue Sword technique devised to counter Huashan. (+1 Sword, 3 months

18. Improve your understanding of the Chuzhan Fist technique. (2 months)
19. Improve your understanding of the Shouwang Mad Claws technique. (2 months)

22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)
25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months)


Each of these packages are 24 month long

EDIT: Uuuh me a sec to count right

 

I know how that feels. If it makes it any better, none of the selections we have here are what I personally want, and I'll be butthurt no matter what we choose.
You still have a while to mourn the loss, the two days of DISCUSS! for packages don't start for another seventeen hours.

Although I'm still very strongly in favor of the Anabanana Original Kenjutsu+Qi Leeching. Covers all our base techniques and leaves room for one year of development with the Cult.

 

Elfberserker, I don't think you are wrong. Except for the first one.

And yes, I like those a lot more than END boost. Put it up there, I'll vote for it.

 

Esquilax has pointed out why this logic doesn't work several times, and treave has confirmed it. The END boost from the neigong will do nothing for the fact that Jing is shaking his own body apart when he goes all out with his neigong.

In short, removing a raw END boost in favour of the END boost from active neigong doesn't work.

Removing a raw STR boost in favour of the STR boost from active neigong does work.

 

Either that or it's time to start rallying support for the 24-30 camp. I don't remember 24-30 being that far behind in the last tally.

 

That's before flops.

 

New and correct Technique mastery packages.

Elfberserker's recless unarmed technique mastery

8. ‘Practice’ sleight-of-hand with Qilin... (Sleight-of-Hand +1, 1 month)
14. Intensive hand-to-hand combat sessions with Zhang Jue. (Unarmed +1, 6 months)
17. Learn the Wuni Fist technique devised to counter Shaolin. (3 months)
18. Improve your understanding of the Chuzhan Fist technique. (2 months)
19. Improve your understanding of the Shouwang Mad Claws technique. (2 months)
22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)
25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months)



Elfberserker's recless sword technique mastery

3. Intensive basic saber training. (Saber +4, 1 month)
13. Intensive sword training with Zhang Jue (Sword +1, 2 months)
15. Learn the rare Minamoto-style Kenjutsu focusing on quick draws and flowing attacks from Yorimitsu. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
16. Learn the Fanfeng Feixue Sword technique devised to counter Huashan. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
20. Train to create a new self-taught sword technique based off the Yuchang Sword. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
21. Attempt to learn a random new technique of Zhang Jue’s choosing, that he created from his travels in Nippon. (2 months)
22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)
25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months)


Elfberserker Fist and sword technique mastery

3. Intensive basic saber training. (Saber +4, 1 month)
8. ‘Practice’ sleight-of-hand with Qilin... (Sleight-of-Hand +1, 1 month)
13. Intensive sword training with Zhang Jue (Sword +1, 2 months) 4 months
15. Learn the rare Minamoto-style Kenjutsu focusing on quick draws and flowing attacks from Yorimitsu. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
16. Learn the Fanfeng Feixue Sword technique devised to counter Huashan. (+1 Sword, 3 months)
18. Improve your understanding of the Chuzhan Fist technique. (2 months)
19. Improve your understanding of the Shouwang Mad Claws technique. (2 months)
22. Further improve your mastery of Reikan by training with Yoriwaka. (+1 Reikan PER, 1 month)
25. Undergo strenuous neigong training to unlock your potential (Neigong +2, 6 months, Yuanshi Hundun now gives +2 to STR, AGI and END)
26. Learn how to absorb qi from other people at a faster rate by ‘practicing’ with Qilin and Cao’er. (3 months)



Each of these should be 24 months, however since I am idiot I may have counted wrong.

The idea behind of these packages is simply. Grap and master as many of techniques in any favor you want be it in unarmed, swords or balanced between the two.

 

Those are great. These builds are about actual martial arts.

 

If it's all about techs, where's the Artistic Skill upgrade?

 

You've managed to put it more succinctly than I did. That's why I was pushing so hard for a focus on neigong and END from the very beginning, since I knew that it was our bread-and-butter as a fighter and that we needed to fortify it.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/lp-cyoa-傳.85971/page-567#post-3136885

This is the best compromise we have. A lot of people want less (18 months), a lot of people want more (30 months), so this is a happy medium that will at least minimize butthurt.

 

Artistic skill allows you to understand and learn new techs.
With so many techs, who needs that skill anymore?

 

Time limit is a bitch, thats why. If we go over 24 month time limit then I assure you that artistic skill boost is the first thing that I put in each of these packages.

Right now I am focusing on grapping techs right and left and try to improve what I can.

 

Not really. Treave said that the endurance bonus would help Jing to last longer in a normal fight so that he would be less likely to blow out his neigong. Esquilax hasn't pointed out anything that I haven't addressed already.

Not if you want to fight at master level, it doesn't. There's also something to be said for being stronger conventionally so that we don't have to switch control over to Jing's erratic and unpredictable qi when we fight someone we'd rather not injure.

 

I'd like to vote for the 30>24 hour timeslot, if that's still a thing? It's good to train more.

 

Here's the treave quote:

This was referring to the benefits of investing in the Wudu Cult qinggong.

Now, with my build, we'd still have AGI 11 thanks to extra point provided by our Kuanglang Step, which would put us at Master level in that regard. The main difference between the STR boost and the END boost is if you're looking at fights in terms of either a sprint or a marathon, respectively.

The STR boost and neigong boost gets us up to the level of true Masters in this particular aspect (though of course, other things like skills and techniques are massively important as well) and in AGI, while the END boost gets us up there for AGI only, but makes the prospect of using our neigong and cultivating our chaotic qi a lot more reliable and less likely to hurt us. So yeah, the STR boost would allow us to really wreak havoc to a greater extent... up until our body gives out. Personally, due to our many past experiences thus far, I am going with the END boost because I'd prefer to have the qi that's more reliable, lasts us longer, and doesn't wear us out in short order. It's such a massive advantage to us that it's important that we at least give ourselves the means to utilize it for as long as possible.

We won't be able to get on Master-tier STR (yet), but we also wouldn't suffer from the multitude of internal injuries that we'd have to face so far. That's why I prefer going for the "marathon" approach rather than the "sprint" approach here.

 

Not to mention the more fights we're healthy for, the less time we have to spend horribly crippled and the less opportunities for stat and skill boosts from direct experience we'll have to pass up.

We got our shit ruined by a fairly mediocre Wudang guy in the timeline that doesn't exist anymore, for example, he just gave up because he thought our ineffectual flailing was on purpose and we were toying with him.