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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Nevill Arcane

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    A truly impartial judge would not be persuaded by that. It still does not prove that Fu Xia knows the technique.

    Would we need to demonstrate our qi abilities even if we don't know if he has icy qi beforehand? It would make more sense to try and confirm it first before acting, but there might not be enough time for that.
     
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  2. treave Arcane Patron

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    It at least proves he knows the particular Xueguizi neigong that is the foundation of the technique because he has that qi. That's sufficient.

    Of course you have to demonstrate it first, how else would you prove you can do it?
     
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  3. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Impartial. Youxia. :lol:
    If we have the legendary Wuxiang Qiankun, they will believe our demonstration. If we prove Fu Xia was able to use the Hanbing Needles, an extremely rare technique, we will prove that he was the real killer. The question here is, are absolutely sure that the tradeoff in revealing our WQS is worth it?
     
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  4. Nevill Arcane

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    And we don't need to produce proof to convince partial judges.

    What I meant, why can't we search for icy qi first, and then, if we find it, demonstrate what we are able to do?

    But of course we can't, wouldn't be a choice otherwise. They are already getting impatient.

    There is another one of the manuals of the line. It is a big gamble.
     
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  5. treave Arcane Patron

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    You're going to have to drain him to find the qi, since if he does have it he isn't about to reveal it easily. That's how you search for it. You could drain Fu Xia first and should you detect the qi, proceed to replicate it, but you would still have to demonstrate the technique afterwards on another person so that you can prove that you just did what you claimed to do.
     
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  6. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Well, we do have other options. We can also gamble with Qilin's elixir of truth, or just do it the old-fashioned way. It is quite possible that our WQS at level 1 will fail and then we'll be standing out there, looking a like a complete retard. It's something worth considering.
     
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  7. Nevill Arcane

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    So at least we don't reveal ourselves if the qi we seek isn't there. It's not much comfort, but I'll take it.

    Qilin's method is by far the worst one. If it kills Fu Xia, we have proven nothing. If it does not work, though, he can weave any tale he wants, and we will have to treat it as truth. That is absolutely unacceptable.

    The rewards it promises are like a big carrot on a stick so that you don't disregard it completely. It offers everything on a silver platter without you having to work for the results.

    I would not put much faith in torture either. If Fu Xia is such a good actor that he can be a mole and an assassin with connections to Tianshan without making anyone suspicious about it, chances are he can hold out. It might be bad. If he confesses, though, it is unlikely to have much weight in the eyes of our party. As for the judges, they are not terribly concerned with who the killer is, as long as they find one.

    Pang Xiaohu's method is another one I could accept - if I did swing that way. Make Fu Xia guilty by definition and make him unable to raise an objection or protest in any way. If he is guilty, Xiaofang is going to confirm it for chief Zheng. If he isn't, B and C are not much nicer, and they carry a quite substantial risk of failure.
     
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  8. Rex Feral Liturgist

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    As I see it now, the outcomes are like this:

    A -> Fu Xia dies
    B -> Fu Xia is tortured -> guilty: dies or innocent: Xiaofang dies
    C -> Fu Xia is drugged -> guilty: dies or innocent: still dies but the case ain't closed
    D -> we fail -> Xiaofang dies or we succeed: Fu Xia dies

    I'll go with B.
     
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  9. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    A, then let Fu Xia have an opening to escape because that's sporting.
     
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  10. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Yeah, you're right, Nevill. And I'm down for developing our WQS, plus we get sweet Ice Needle Magic, but it's still a very high price to pay here for the info: word will get put that we have WQS, and then shit will go down all over our heads. Edited vote to D>A.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Oh, definitely the Little Tiger won't chop him up while he's still immobilized. He'll want a fight.
     
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  12. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    In the end guys, Yang Xue did it.
     
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  13. Nevill Arcane

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    Fu Xia and chief Zheng are in a different situation. Jiang knows that if he does not confess, they are only going to make it more brutal. Fu Xia knows that if he does not confess, they are going to release him, but if he does, he ends up dead. Tolerating pain is much easier when you know it is going to end eventually, and when it is a choice between living with a bit of pain and certain death, well... I don't see it working.

    There is a chance that even if Fu Xia is guilty, Xiaofang will still get accused, unless Zheng, who does not believe in the eunuch's guilt, takes blame. If B fails in that way, it will clear Fu Xia of doubt.

    As for D, if it fails, it is still a toss up between them three, and we get to point the finger at the one we want sacrificed. Not the most pleasant of choices, but when did a failure taste good?

    Edit: fair enough.
     
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  14. treave Arcane Patron

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    Uh, you don't get to point any fingers in D if it fails. You'll need to spend quite some time standing there draining him and trying to find what you want, longer than it takes for them to come to a decision. If it doesn't pan out, they'll get quite angry at you wasting their time and messing around (especially if you want to play it safe by not explaining your ability beforehand), and make their decision without any further input from you.
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Wait, treave, hpw is D even going to work? We absorb his qi with leeching and then (attempt to) break it down and analyze it with WQS?
     
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  16. treave Arcane Patron

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    Basically you're draining him in an attempt to force him to use his neigong to survive and resist the drain, and once he does you can replicate it. Hm, I should clarify that.
     
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  17. Smashing Axe Arcane Patron

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    C>B>A

    I don't really care if Fu Xia dies, as long as we gain the information we want. If he blabs, and then dies from the effects of the serum, all is well. If he doesn't blab, and then dies. Well, we're big enough to bully the lieutenants into accepting his guilt. Screw this city.

    I also really don't want to reveal information about our abilities to a city of information brokers.
     
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  18. Kipeci Magister

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    C, let's see if we can get this truth serum to work out. If it does, great! If not, same effect as A, though perhaps in a worse way for him.
     
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  19. Akkudakku Arbiter

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    D>C
     
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  20. Akkudakku Arbiter

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    Ace Attorney Investigations: Xu Jing

    "HOLD IT! " Xu Jing exclaims to the Court. Judges' raised hand lowers. "I call Fu Xia as a witness."

    “H-hey, this is not funny, Mister Xu!” Fu Xia gives a nervous chuckle as he glances about him. “What do you mean?”

    “Where were you on the night of the crime?”

    “I… I was having dinner with you. Come on, what are you trying to get at here?”

    “You left the restaurant quite early, didn’t you?”

    “Because I was being chased by three monks! They were attacking me and I had to run… and then I got lost coming back. You know how winding these streets are.” He shakes his head and sighs heavily. “Really, where did this come from?”

    "HOLD IT! "

    You smile. “The monks attacked you, right?”

    “I just said that,” he frowns. “I came back all injured. You saw me too. Cuts and all.”

    “Yes, I did,” you acknowledge his statement. “Would you mind letting me examine your injuries in more detail?”

    There are still bruises on his torso, as well as a large, unhealed cut across his left arm. You beckon to Cao’er and ask her to investigate the wound.


    LOGIC
    EVIDENCE: Fu Xia injuries + SKILL: Cao'er Expertise

    “…inflicted on the night of the murder…” she whispers almost inaudibly.

    “It was inflicted on the night of the murder,” you call out, repeating Cao’ers words. “This cut was clearly made by a sword.”

    NEW EVIDENCE: Sword wound



    “I got into a brawl, didn’t I?” complains Fu Xia. “Why are you trying to frame me?”



    "OBJECTION! " EVIDENCE: Sword wound

    “Did the monks find a sword or two somewhere? As I recall, they were unarmed,” you say. “Could it have been a constable’s sword?” Jiang Zheng is staring at Fu Xia intently, as if trying to make out if he could have been the man-in-black that assassinated Du Yao.

    Fu Xia’s face pales, though he is still unable to move his body. His expression scrunches up into a grimace. “This… I… look, there is an explanation for this!”

    ...
     
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  21. Esquilax Arcane

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    As much as I'm reluctant to use the Wuxian Qiankun in a public setting and reveal this technique technique to the world, it would provide the cleanest method of solving the case, should we prove that Fu Xia is the murderer (which he almost certainly is at this point). This move would bring an insane amount of violence on us, but it might also make it easier for us to find where the other manuals are as well:

    The martial artists out there who have discovered the other manuals will no doubt be eager to find the Wuxian Qiankun Skill, as it would have fantastic synergy with the huge neigong boost from both the Jiuyang and Jiuyin manuals. Having a bullseye on ourselves would likely draw out those we seek as well. Also, if we follow up this display of Wuxian Qiankun with another session of meditation, it might be enough to boost it to Level 2. Which is good, because with the amount of heat that will come our way, we'll definitely need it. The other upside is that we will have gained a friend in Chief Jiang.

    Anyways, because I would prefer things to be done properly, and because there's mounting evidence pointing to Fu Xia, I think that D will work. I doubt that B will work - Fu Xia knows that if he confesses, he dies, which is a pretty good motivator for withstanding torture. And C just reeks of "Asking For It" - a convenient magical elixir that will get our suspect to confess without any cost to us? Yeah, right. This would leave A, which is a fine choice, but I believe that a strong relationship with the constabulary will pay dividends in the future, and I'd prefer not to jeopardize that.

    D > A
     
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  22. XenomorphII Prophet

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  23. ERYFKRAD Barbarian Patron

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    Ok, guys, the Wushu QQ skill, is there anyone here who knows what it is capable of and what it looks like under execution?

    I wonder if it is possible to mask it as some other technique or the other, a sort of bluff, if you will.

    Afterall, Xu Jing has been among weaaboo pirates, kissed a toad demon, there're good odds that he would've learned something weirdlike thsy way.


    Hang on-


    *kissed a toad demon*


    NOW I know why Yunzi ran away.
     
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  24. Jester Arbiter

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    D C >A
     
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