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I doubt this formation can be taken on with anything short of master-level skill. Breaking apart formations without harming their members is not viable unless you really know what you're doing. Jing has 8 skill, 8 int, 7-9 perception, and a lot of experience against multiple opponents and formation techniques. Xuxian is in a much worse position than us for this.

Esquilax's point is that we should use the Shouwang Claws. Don't do it man. The theme of the challenge is restraint. A2 lets us face weaker opponents where we wont need claws to take them down. That's where we should go.

Actually, you should reread Xuxian's fear:

Xuxian is not afraid of facing the abbot. He is afraid of his odds facing both the abbot and the 18man formation.

 

Ahem. At Unarmed 8 we can modify all Shouwang moves to be non lethal.

 

Not when we need them fully powered to penetrate someones defense

 

And still, the Abbot is a much better target to withstand our whole arsenalthan the eighteen fighters. They too have the Jinzhongzhao that will need our all to penetrate. Only the chances of injuring them are much higher.

 

Using your whole arsenal is missing the whole point of the trial. Also, we have regular qi leeching and Xianglong 18 Palms (worked against Xsaora Vairya, remember?) to take on normal people with Jinzhongzhao.

 

Not if their neigong is low. Then either WQ to find a weekness of the tech or just make OURSELF indestrucrible or nonlethal kicks and palms.
Also the point would be to just distrupt their formation and not disable each and everyone of them.

 

Actually we need 6 endurance to use Jinzhongzhao. We can't copy that. :-(

But yeah, weaker neigong makes them much more vulnerable to leeching and palms.

 

Rob Halford doesn't have the Jinzhongzhao, he's just a tough motherfucker. I think we're starting to get lost in our own rhetoric:

Nothing here prevents us from using our full arsenal. We just can't maim or kill or opponents. Since the Abbot looks like he's related to LORD Zhang Jue, I think we're good if we fight him.

 

Right, you just want to use Shouwang Claws without harming or killing your opponent by holding back against an extremely strong opponent.

I think those are unreasonable expectations, Baltika9. Switch gears to A2 and we won't even have this problem.

 

Using it in a non lethal way against the Abbot isn't at all unreasonable. What I'm saying is that we can afford to not hold back as much against him as we would have to against the eighteen Arhats, them being junior fighters. This dude is approximately on our level so we can use ensuring we have on him. That's it.

 

Shouwang Claws is weak shit unless you use it seriously. Use it seriously: Fail at restraint. Use it nonlethally: Fail at power. The more power you want to draw out of that technique, the more you have to sacrifice your restraint. Seriously, this is not the right tool for the trial.

You are way too hung up on using Shouwang Claws, Baltika.

 

Uh. That's not what I'm saying at all. Shouwang is just one tool in our box. My point is that we can go all our on the Abbot, whereas we will have to hold back against the eighteen Arhats, giving them a lot of opportunities to take us down. What I'm saying is that is rather face one fighter of approximately or level without having to hold back, than face eighteen junior fighters that we have to go easy on.

 

Except we have experience versus formations and groups. And Xuxian has experience versus the abbot.

 

Flopping to B > A2


I'm not getting Jing to fight the Abbot. Jing is very suited to fighting the formation - With WQS, we can mimick it and destroy it like we did with the Four Lions Formation, and our other techs are stronger enough to slowly dismount it by taking some of them out of the fight.

I still think it is much better to prepare Xuxian for this rather than fight for him.

 

*Sigh.*

The opponents are said to be of equal difficulty overall. They are not going to be easier or tougher to defeat if there are no additional factors.

All I am saying is that it is easier for Xuxian to face 18 random dudes than 1 Abbott. It makes no difference to Jing.

And we have to think for both fighters here.

 

He doesn't fight both at the same time:

 

Also, Yifang had most experience with a sword out of our party members, and Jing had more experience with qi leeching during the fight with Ahura.

Didn't help them any. It is not the ultimate answer.

 

Yifang's experience with the sword did work, and in the end Yifang was the best pick to win the fight without antagonizing them, which is quite valuable when we ask them to trust us. Plus we got Yifang relationship points.

And I completely disagree here. My biggest concern is in fact that Xuxian is better of facing the abbot (who he has defeated before) than facing an 18-man formation (not "random dudes") without trying to harm or kill any of them. At the same time, Jing is much better off facing the formation because not only does he have a lot of experience facing multiple opponents and dismantling formations, but moves like the Wuying Leipo Kick are hard to deal with and our Xianglong 18 Palms (which are said to be the strongest palm technique in the 8 sects) should be enough to overcome these opponents.

 

Flop B > A2.

Please guys reiterate what we hope to gain with going A. He can't tech us anyway as Abbt disallowed this.

 

A ton of Shaolin rep, for one, but actually:

So the trial is to prove that Xuxian is worthy of bearing the skills. And the reason he is not permitted to teach others is because they are not proven trustworthy. Then he tells us this:

Now, on the other side of this logic, it means that if we succeed, then they will be forced to consider Jing as having upheld their precepts under their teachings for Xuxian's skill.

So we would have proven ourselves worthy of the skill just like Xuxian, which in turn means Xuxian would have to be permitted to teach us.

 

Would we be able to use WQS to take down the Bronze Arhat Formation?

 

I don't see why not. They would have to have 9+ neigong to prevent us. Seems like only the abbot and Xuxian have neigong that high.

 

But has treave said so or you just think so?

 

The only experience Xuxian has with the Abbott is of injuring him in panic. That will come in handy.

And 'having experience with fighting against formations' is about as meaningful as 'having experience with fighting single dudes'. How would knowing the counter to Guihe or to the Four Lions Formations can help against the Butterfly Dream that relies on different principles entirely? That is a rhethorical question.

But I guess this is going to degenerate into yet another walls of text where people pretend they know all about the inner workings of martial arts mechanics of the LP, and try to present it as a numbers game. Already the names of the moves that would totes beat this, and would be totes useless against that are thrown around.

I guess I'll lean back and bring some popcorn.

 

Akkudakku, it's what I think. But the logic seems quite solid to me. As for treave, he has avoided saying anything about this when asked. Do you disagree?

Nevill, you can stop trying to downplay everything.

1. Injuring the abbot and running off isn't that easy either. They did fight.
2. If we have experience fighting groups of people with different formations, yes, it stands to reason we would fare well against yet another group of people with a different formation.