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Ifeex

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Bx.
 

Absinthe

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Our path is definitely not good for curbing the destructive impulses that his technique fosters, so I'd rather wait for him to meditate a bit more. I think the temple will be better off with Xuxian there to help them out for now, and he's no longer forced into seclusion.

Then again, Abbot Fangzhang did state that "being cloistered makes one weak." Hmm...
 
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Fangshi

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B for the first choice, I suppose, they like us a little and we have conducted ourselves well all things considered. They do not seem like the type to attack the Fire Temple either. It would also probably be better that they hear the truth from us than find out later by accident or from the enemies we are accumulating.

For the second choice A. We will have enough people coming after us that another skilled pugilist should be handy and if we can instruct him in the WQS it might help to control the sanity damage that his tech is supposed to confer. We may well be the best placed individual to help him control the power he has grabbed.

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ScubaV

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2B because I think our retinue is already becoming unwieldy and I think Xuxian could really benefit from some peaceful meditation. It might make him a better pugilist for when we call on him later. That said, 2A is probably the more selfish option that could benefit Jing more.
 

Baltika9

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Fair enough, and keeping him around would be beget for Shaolin's protection as well. Flipping to 2B.
 

Esquilax

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They are going to find out that we're Lord of the Fire Temple eventually, better that they find it out from us than from another. And really, the Shaolin are as trustworthy and as BRO as it gets. As long as Fangci agrees to keep the matter quiet for as long as possible, this is a great idea.

Oh, and I'd love to bring Xuxian with us, if only because we need a BRO with us to balance out the squad of beautiful women with us - it's getting rather tedious. Our party is such a sausage taco fest. However... I'm not so sure if it's best for him to be with us.

Xuxian will remain at the temple, but not in confinement. He should be accorded the same rights as any of the other monks. You think it would be better if he spends some time in the peaceful environments of Shaolin Temple, rather than going on another dangerous trip so soon. You can always visit him or seek his help later if you really need it.

I mean, in B he'll still have the same rights as his fellow monks and I have a feeling that Shaolin would appreciate us encouraging him to remain at the Temple. Really, part of the reason why we competed in this challenge was to petition for Xuxian's freedom, and if he's free in B, I'm happy. Let him strengthen his spirit further, and if we are in need of his help in the future, we can leverage our alliance by asking him for aid. He's still got some growing to do before he can get a full grip on the Xiaoming Jiuyang Divine manual, and despite the fact that we possess Wuxiang Qiankun, I believe that the Shaolin Temple is better equipped to help him here than we are.

I really think that this is in Xuxian's best interests. Also, I think that this combination will provide the best basis for a good relationship with Shaolin. We'll be open and honest with them about our Lordship of the Fire Temple, while at the same time encouraging Xuxian along a path that I think will be better for him in the long run.

BB
 

Absinthe

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Hm, aye. If we vote 2B, we probably have better chances of Shaolin being okay with us as the Fire Lord.
 

Esquilax

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Well, in 2A Xuezi could help him out too.

I'm not so sure. The Xueguizi are specialists in yin qi, and while Xuezi probably knows something about the Xiaoming Jiuyang Divine Manual because she's two hundred years old and even more knowledgeable about this qi stuff than Big Wang was, it isn't her specialty. I don't know if she'll be able to help Xuxian control it.
 

Absinthe

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She was able to help him hone his technique for the challenge, and she was already discussing what benefits the technique would bring if Xuxian were to improve it more.
 

Akkudakku

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BX I will leave the xuxian matter to you bros, but we cant lie to our new bros.

The abbots sin is that he joined our master for some time, I think

Too bad Jing didn tell about the spear of manlines, he is a big unknown here.

Also last but not least - fucking awesome update treave!
 

Fangshi

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Esquilax said:
I mean, in B he'll still have the same rights as his fellow monks and I have a feeling that Shaolin would appreciate us encouraging him to remain at the Temple. Really, part of the reason why we competed in this challenge was to petition for Xuxian's freedom, and if he's free in B, I'm happy. Let him strengthen his spirit further, and if we are in need of his help in the future, we can leverage our alliance by asking him for aid. He's still got some growing to do before he can get a full grip on the Xiaoming Jiuyang Divine manual, and despite the fact that we possess Wuxiang Qiankun, I believe that the Shaolin Temple is better equipped to help him here than we are.

My concern is that monks have learnt this skill in the past. Openly from the sounds of it. They had access to Shaolin resources and yet they all still eventually fell which is why the tech is forbidden and was thought destroyed.

I do not see how Xuxian will be different. Meditation and peace does not seem to have protected his predecessors. I think he needs something more. I think that if he progresses with his tech without first learning some of the WQS he will eventually go mad though of course I can not be certain.
 

tropic

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We need a bro on our travels, especially a legendary technique wielder who owes us his life.
 
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Elfberserker

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I think that being honest with ShaolinBROS is good idea has been covered.

As for Xuxian, I am really torn apart.

Letting him mediating in Shaolin monastery is most likely good way to reflect his actions and finally getting over his Shaolin problems, but as late abbot Fanzheng said " Locking yourself in monastery makes you weak ".

I think that Xuxian needs more experience in life outside of monastery, To see what a beautiful and flawed people there are. To see those simply wonderful acts of altruism and depravity of humankind to reach enlightenment as well with himself. The late Abbot Fanghzheng was gambler, drinker and pervert, but he was a good monk despite his faults. Fanghzheng experience with real world allowed him to truly understand Buddha and its teachings.

Can Xuxian find enlightment, forgviness and mercy in seclusion while meditating?
Perhaps.

Can he find when he himself has experienced life's joys and sadness. When he has tested himself against life with succees and defeat and truly starts seeing the world as buddha did?
I do not know, but I know that Xu Jing and Xuxian can help each other out.

In a way this might be best or worst opportunity for xuxian to explore life. He will have experienced and street smarts Xu Jing with him, On otherhand his mettle will certainly be tested to limit with Xu Jing.
 

Esquilax

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My concern is that monks have learnt this skill in the past. Openly from the sounds of it. They had access to Shaolin resources and yet they all still eventually fell which is why the tech is forbidden and was thought destroyed.

I do not see how Xuxian will be different. Meditation and peace does not seem to have protected his predecessors. I think he needs something more. I think that if he progresses with his tech without first learning some of the WQS he will eventually go mad though of course I can not be certain.

Well, Xuxian nearly has a grip on the technique, perhaps he needs just a bit more time to mature. On the one hand, we have WQS and Xuezi to help him, but on the other, Jing and most of his crew have no qualms about killing. A trip with us will truly test the limits of his mercy, as Fangci's test did, but then again, that might be precisely what Xuxian needs. If he cannot protect the Empire use the Xiaoming Divine Skill properly, then it deserves to die he deserves to go mad.

But seriously, the thing that concerns me the most is in the description:

You will bring Xuxian with you on your travels, and guide him best as you can. As a practitioner of Wuxiang Qiankun, you would be able to connect with him better than the Abbot could. You could use a helping hand on your journey, and he is a rather strong martial artist despite his flawed spirit.
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Xuxian will remain at the temple, but not in confinement. He should be accorded the same rights as any of the other monks. You think it would be better if he spends some time in the peaceful environments of Shaolin Temple, rather than going on another dangerous trip so soon. You can always visit him or seek his help later if you really need it.

The bolded part is what troubles me. Even in the choice in which we bring him with us, it's acknowledged that he has a flawed spirit. I mean, everybody has their sins, as Abbot Fangci says, but with this sort of technique, you "must aspire to be as a bodhisvatta." There are times when a trial by fire is the best way to grow and test yourself, but for Xuxian, I'm not sure that this is one of those times. He's just come from a dangerous trip already, and I think he needs a bit of a break and some time to get his head straight before going off on another adventure.

But I think that there must be a precedence of someone using the technique in a controlled manner before. treave, do the Shaolin have any records in their library that indicate that one of their own has managed to use the Xiaoming Divine Skill without going mad?
 

GreyViper

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BA someone needs to replace our scholar bro. Besides will be amusing to try to set him up with rest of our untied harem. Also as soon as we can we should set up a foursome with Qilin, Cao'er and Yunzi and use Wuxiang Qiankun, results would probably turn out interesting.


Edit: Duh and here I was voting to leave the guy behind. +M
 
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Fangshi

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Esquilax said:
The bolded part is what troubles me.

Actually that part about the flawed spirit is what has me worried as well, I just interpret it differently.

I think that if left to his own devices he will not have the strength of spirit to prevail. I am hoping that the WQS will be able to help him do what he normally could not.

Esquilax said:
Jing and most of his crew have no qualms about killing. A trip with us will truly test the limits of his mercy,

I am not too worried about that. We all seem to be in agreement about 1B. In the option it mentions that to maintain Shaolin's friendship we will likely have to conduct ourselves in an upright and honourable manner anyway from now on.

Whether we go with Xuxian or not I doubt we will be able to freely murder people in the future without serious repercussions.

Also worth considering is that only two thirds of our group is 'comfortable' with murder, Lingshu and Yifang would very much prefer we not kill people so Xuxian might fit in well with them.
 

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