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[LP CYOA] Epic

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by treave, Jun 23, 2012.

  1. Storyfag Arcane Patron

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    Just... Epic.

    Thank you Treave :salute:
     
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  2. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Hey, what happened to Gallardo?
     
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  3. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    Was pursuyed by Julia's goons, got killed. A pity, I wanted Senya to strangle that creepy fucker and his creepy laugh.
     
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  4. Storyfag Arcane Patron

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    "Uihihihihi" would have creeped out even Dio.
     
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  5. treave Arcane Patron

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    In another, darker LP, Dio would have been a more active antagonist instead of just appearing near the end. The possibilities! Julius's potential for sadism would absolutely thrive under Dio's expert tutelage. Well, I can always reuse the character templates...
     
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  6. Storyfag Arcane Patron

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    Silly questions time:

    Who brought Relius back after the Dunamis gutted him?
    Does the Sleeper reside in our multiverse, and thus the Voices need to break through Ean, Sekh, Sheldon, etc. in order to wake it?
    What happened to Adrahasis and Adrasteia? Are they part of the Voice-battling team along with Ean and co.?
    What was Earth's additional white moon all about? White whale egg?
    What exactly caused the white whales to invade our reality and fight Ean's armada? Someone playing with interdimensional physics like the cultists and Senya did?
    What happened to the Spheres?
    So who was channelling Gilgamesh as the Dragon Emperor? You never confirmed Marduk, but I'd like to know if he survived the Void and how. Spheres were alive back then, right?
    Any chances for that Imperial Culture loredump?
    What happened to Ares once he entered the Olympus Rift? Did he father Adrahasis and Adrasteia? With whom?

    More will be coming as they pop into my head :smug:
     
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  7. treave Arcane Patron

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    It was Shulgi, pretending to be Relius, in the palace bedchambers, with a candlestick.

    It sleeps where the Great Idea used to be. Technically outside the multiverse, I suppose. The Voices are sentient, subconscious extensions of the Dreamer's will. Everything is its dream, but they are more so than most. Ean et al. are guarding the path and will need to be disposed of before it can be awakened.

    Sphere corpse. Time moves funny in the void, so it's really old.

    They just happened to cross paths.

    The Masters destroyed them, and in doing so gained valuable data which they then used to create their Iae-hacking program.

    A combination of Marduk and Zeus and whatever else they ate. Spheres retroactively don't exist some time after Dio meets the Masters but I'm not sure how to express it, so yes, just assume they were. The Marduk-Zeus entity didn't stay in the void long, it tumbled out of another portal rather soon.

    We'll see. I'm actually thinking of writing a short story set at the height of Shinari power (sometime during the ten years in between Dio's adventures and Ean's awakening) from another perspective. That setting was underused.

    Found his way to another planet. Met and fell in love with another immortal. Ruled the planet for a while. Had kids. Got eaten when the Dragon Emperor came knocking and conquered the planet.

    Interestingly, it seems that Ares has turned out to be the most fertile of all the immortals. :lol:
     
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  8. Lambchop19 Arcane Zionist Agent Literally Hitler Batshit Crazy

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    If everyone died, but we got to rub glass in Naim's eyes for eternity, it'd still be a happy ending to me. :)
     
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  9. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    The first thing I see when I open this thread is a green completed -sign. I knew this was almost over but still it comes as a shock. I don't know what to say. Thank you for this thread. Most of the 14 months I was reading this whenever I could and it felt like Christmas when there was an update or new arguments posted. I'm sad to see this finished and hope that one day we can return to this setting. This was amazing. Thank you treave.
     
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  10. Storyfag Arcane Patron

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    More of the Good Chancellor Diogenes Camna? Yes please.

    Allow me to rephrase one of my questions: I had the impression that the white ghosts are separated from our reality, and, for the moment, exist only in other dimensions, such as the white-Earth Senya wandered into (btw, what's the deal with that place?). Was that impression wrong, or did some event allow the white ghosts to access our reality?
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    We won't be coming back till I complete the other two LPs on my list, at which point I might very well dust off this thread and add a third part. Which would end up being like the Godfather III of the trilogy, I suspect. :lol:

    Anyway, the white ghosts did exist in the universe already, just that space's so big that you rarely encounter any, not to mention they flit between dimensions too. The white Earth was a small, city sized pocket dimension Sekhenun discovered in her experiments. It became her lab of sorts. It imprinted its visitors' locations (Ankida, then Kyoto) on the surroundings. She conducted the portal opening that allowed the rogue Master to pass through in that place. The ancient massacre Senya came across is the aftermath.
     
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  12. Kipeci Magister

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    It takes a lot of talent and Dio-like willpower to keep coming back to update this with such quality so regularly over these 450+ pages, as can be seen in how the other CYOAs started at about the same time just fizzled out. Finding an update to this always made my day even when we goofed, it's a bit sad that it had to come to a close. Good thing that a new one is going to start, if it's half as good as this it'll still be one of the best CYOAs I've ever read.

    I'll go for A.
     
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  13. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It is just about the best thing on the internet I took any small part in.

    I have no idea what I want next, but I suppose A for a change.
     
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  14. Jester Arbiter

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    i vote A for new LP

    Thank for your great work Treave hope that you enjoyed this as much as we.

    Some stupid questions.

    Ean Saga:
    What was best use of gieldoth informations possible to extract from Sek?
    If Ean chose to go to asia would he be able to make Concordat?
    Was Ean able to establish Ean-fu?
    How would making anti immortal sword techs influence world?
    Was it possible to restore first Ean kingdom?
    Was Ean and Shulgi only immortals to break masters control over them?
    If Ean would be around when immortals voices was restored would he be able to convince Athena or someone else would rebel against masters?
    Was it possible to get Edem to end game?
    What powers Ean would get if he would choose fuck everything and run option?
    Was there buddism or other real world religion look a like in this world and who where immortals establishing them?

    Dio saga:
    Was it possible to shape Dio into evil chancellor type or make lasting alliance with shinar prince?
    What happened to that prince btw, i don't remember that being stated?
    If we would chose to continue to play Dio, was it possible to stop Ean resurrection?
    What would happened to Ean if he would fuse with Dio or Madman?


    Tree:
    If Dio would become God by ascending would be it possible to play him in his quest to become the one God?
    What happened to Olympian immortals?
    Would Gieldoth Tree be able to save some of terrans and would be able to play as descendants gield/immortal union if we would chose to continue?
    Why concordat didn't stop Zeus, did they lack immortals powerful enough to face him?

    Senya:
    Would we chose to make Senya into evil scientist tm would there be some goody two shoes main enemy to face? (something like power rangers?)
    Was it able to convince cult that Senya is as worthy as Rei?
    What kind of person was Cult "mother"?
    Could Senya become god Emperor if we took rebellion leader route?
    Was there route where Senya make AI race?
    If we would win fight with Naim during film part would we be able to influence its script?
    Was not trusting Senya Shulgi greatest fuck up?
    Rei was deleted from records so its mean only Senya remember her?
    What happened to Kyrie awsome butler?
    What happened to Keiko Rei friend?
    If Senya would research nano bots was he able to make/change humanity into Immortals?
    Was there way to upgrade existing observer, eliminating his imperfection?
    Would mini Senya be able to break to real world using his idea?
    What was the reason first observer malfunctioned?

    Most important:
    What does other characters think about Senya?
    You got any special way to make CYOA? Like making long term scenarios and changing them after our choices?
     
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  15. Baltika9 Arcane

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    :brodex:
     
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  16. treave Arcane Patron

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    That's a lot of questions. I'll answer it part by part.


    Ean:

    A bit hard to say anything on the Gieloth info now. It was used in an acceptable way I suppose.

    No, I doubt he would have formed the Concordiat.

    No Ean-fu.

    You get an organization like the Dunamis, except fully human, much earlier.

    Yes, if you stuck around Mesopotamia after awakening.

    No, there were others. They were disposed of.

    Depends. Hard to say.

    Yes, don't go into the rift.

    No special powers are unlocked by running.

    No Buddhism but yes to Chinese and Indian mythical deities. Same scam as in the region most of the LP took place in.


    Dio:

    He isn't already an evil chancellor type?

    Prince became Emperor, grew old, died peacefully.

    Yes.

    He'd just eat them up like he did the others, though Dio's Super Willpower may cause some problems later on...


    Tree:

    No.

    Submitted, assimilated.

    Yes, but the game would probably end there.

    They didn't really know about it until it was too late.


    Senya:

    Possibly.

    If you took the cult path at the end of chapter one, yes.

    Sadistic bitch.

    Yes.

    Yes, there were plenty of chances.

    Maybe, depends on how you end that chapter.

    No, his greatest fuck up was not killing Diogenes when he had the chance, all things considered.

    No, not really. But the records don't exist anymore so it is moot.

    Turned into goo by Senya's nanites.

    Slaughtered by Senya when he massacred the cult.

    Yes, but that'd leave them vulnerable to Master dickery.

    No.

    Possible.

    Which first observer?


    Lastly:

    Which characters in particular?

    I usually have a general idea of where things are headed, but I do make some adaptions to the scenario as it goes along. Certain paths are more fleshed out in my head than others: these would be the narratively stronger paths, likelier to be more cohesive and meaningful, but the crowd doesn't always end up picking those.
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    How and why is Old Earth here?
     
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    Where else would Earth be if not around the Sun? :philosoraptor:
     
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  20. Esquilax Arcane

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    treave, what would have happened if Senya decided to kill Dio after getting Rei's creation powers?
     
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  21. treave Arcane Patron

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    You get the update titled Conqueror of the Creators as he destroys the Masters single handedly, then takes on Ean and the entire fleet if they refuse to submit and allow him to create World B. His motivations haven't changed, but he's even less inclined to spare anything that stands in his way. Obviously, Kyrie is lost for good.
     
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  22. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Huh, we did pretty good, all things considered.

    Good job, bros.
     
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  23. Jester Arbiter

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    I guess he is from certain point of view.

    Wow even Dio had soft side for friends.

    So Dio would win even against devour soul.


    Sound like Shinar empress.

    Mikey said this so was there observer before IAE?


    Shulgi, Rei post/before cult slaughter, Ean, Sek, Anna, Selkhet, Erika, masters, Dio, Terra main officers, Adrasteia, Adrahasis, Boshen, rest of main empire officers, Yua.

    Remembered some more stupid questions, lots of content lots of questions i guess.

    What happened to masters after end of IAE?
    After colony drop rest of crew of Kaguya-hime didn't react to Naim taking Senya achievements? They bought that lie about Senya being traitor and killing Kyrie? I didn't expect that from Captain Grimrock. Even if empress suppressed info some gossips didn't start? I mean one of crew members of Kaguya helped us get frame to escape after Kyrie assassination.
    Who was sided with Cooper?
    Could you tell us about who and what each master did before start of IAE?
    Why Dio was disappointed when Senya didn't kill him after restoring his power?
    Was it possible to father Ean Junior and what would be his masters codename?
    What happened with Cultist of Senya? Those kids survived war?
    Did Senya Jar organization survived war, does it still growing?
    Did Dio consider someone friend other than prince?
    Did dragon warden become real institution or it never counted more than one person?
    How general public view Senya? (League/Empire/Terra points of view)
    Did any "normal person" find out that Grand Marshal really is Ean?
    What happened to Empress after her "talk" with vice president?
    In central brain of FTL cannon would be able to pull off being Shulgi with info we had?
    How did Shulgi inject his voice in Mere, did he contacted league before grey death?
    Was there way to make humans Immortal like in early stages of CYOA?
    Why Gield of America Shulgiland didn't change into tree form when there was no immortals there during Ean saga? I think they become Gield of concordat later.
    What would be Ean character if we didn't influence him?
    Did Senya had harem route in his first part? :D
    Awesome butler become become goo? Does that mean he will be back to cockblock Senya in future?
    What does Senya think about his road till destruction of IAE? Is he proud of himself or does he regret some parts?
    Was there way to make necromancy acceptable to world society?
    Did any of heroes decided to make biography or attempted to tell whole story to general public?

    What is your favourite part of this CYOA?

    edit:
    During Minotaur act would we devoured voices was this possibility whole time or deus ex machina with evolved into hunger mechanic, former emperor and avatar of hunger concept?
    Shulgi conquered his voices did he still hear them, if not when they stopped talking?
    All immortals have same voices set mean personality etc?
    Voices are winners of masters games? But there were codex avatars at begining... does this mean that people like Storyfag and Root survived apocalypse and won place. :D
    Will you write story of random immortal voice or mby tell who some of them were?
    During master game was there ever troll ending liek someone who told something along this line "Oh and btw only one person survive end of universe. Problem?" and run into the portal.
    :troll:
    bonus points if someone else would cross doors before them.
    :troll:
    bonus points if that person was janitor.
     
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  24. Kayerts Arcane

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    Well done. And thanks!

    My favorite parts were Tjaru, Ean's post-Cataclysm reign, the war against the Indus, and the arc between the Grey Death and the end of the Crusade. I notice that those are all cases where the odds were stacked against us, and we didn't understand the nature of the enemy. The structure of the lore and the rate at which it was parceled out was pretty near perfect--it felt like we were constantly learning fundamental, important things about our environment, and all of it was essential to our primary concerns--none of it felt extraneous, which is really hard to manage. We could be, e.g., trying to figure out how to best attack a ship that held a captive who had been a potential ally in our efforts to accumulate power through the galactic civilization of which she was a ranking representative, so that we could ultimately challenge the entities its leaders worshipped as gods, and that didn't feel convoluted at all.

    Weakest part was probably the Grey Death itself; I definitely liked how the plot evolved afterward, but the gap between what we chose and what happened seemed great enough to break the players' sense of complicity in Senya's actions. I think that may have helped push us down the "no gods, no masters" path, as a means of bringing Senya in line with our own general lack of remorse--playing the penitent doesn't make sense if we don't feel like we did anything wrong. I think we generally seem to love stories in which we fuck up horribly, but we have to feel like we really earned the horrific consequences.

    How do you sustain your output, by the way? This thing seemed like it was constantly overflowing with new ideas, which were all more or less consistent with each other.

    B for the next CYOA.
     
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  25. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Quoted for truth. I never thought that Bad Ends could be so entertaining and, dare I say it, satisfying. They were just fun, especially when we had to dig ourselves out of our own graves, like Ean's hunger, I especially liked us having to tiptoe around his hair trigger temper back in Babylon. Or, yes, the Gray Death (it worked for me, especially in that it defined the difference between Oldfag Senya and Newfag Senya). Yes, Shulgi took the fall for us... but fuck, the planet is in shambles. And don't even get me started on Tripping the Rift.

    As for the "no gods, no masters bit," I can buy how Senya would be pissed at all the fuckers that were manipulating him from the beginning, and how he would want to stop that shit from happening to him or anyone else (LOLthal, I think, bumped his selflessness up a whole lot). Not what I would choose for him, personally, if I was around then, but it worked.

    Edit:
    I second this question.
     
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