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Magic the Gathering Arena

Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by Berekän, Sep 8, 2017.

  1. lukaszek the determinator

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    yeah i got 3 right now


    my problem with ub flash so far is lack of 1 mana good cards. With current fast meta you are dead if you dont start. I see a bunch of random decks having nothing for 1 mana lol. Unless you play bo3 and decide to put in disfigure/grafdigger/mystical dispute or some other finely tuned response card that you dont want to maindeck. I mean i do kind of have this urge to maindeck dispute.

    Ive included duress that are quite powerful and as usual one of my fav 1 mana cards. Spectral sailor is kind of meh, dont feel the need to own 4 of them. What are my other options, opts to fix draw?
     
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  2. new fucking guy Learned Patron

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    try memory leak for extra spice
    though I'd rather just play 4 sailors, they cantrip with the slitherwisp
     
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  3. spectre Arcane

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    Yeah, slitherwisp, octopus and spectral sailors should cover your card drawing needs. If you still need 1 drops, Pteramander is decent and mutates into octopus rather nicely.
    I think you can afford a few non-flash 1cmc things since UB is not running Nightpack which is the main source of conflict.

    Flash players routinely seem to underestimate sailors, don't be that guy. I rarely go below three cause this card draw is what wins the mirror match. Vs. aggro, you can still trade with their early shit.
    Also, they're godsend when you're mana flooded.

    If you just want to drop Lochmeres, maybe pseudo ramping with nightbondage into Thryx could do it?
     
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  4. lukaszek the determinator

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    neat idea!
     
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  5. lukaszek the determinator

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    anyone understands mutate rules? I find it counter intuitive that if someone mutates a creature and you kill it in response - spell isnt lost but rather new critter enters the battlefield
     
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  6. spectre Arcane

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    Yeah, it looks like a pile of unintuitive rules, as though they wanted to make an enchantment without many typical weaknesses of enchantments. I still don't know half of the interactions and
    just let arena handle this shit for me hopeing it's doing a good job. It still produces unexpected results, e.g. when I mutate the octopussy over an animated nissa land and the result is a 3/3 creature which doesn't feel right.

    I imagine it's got lots of people yelling "juuuuuudge" when playing paper. Mix mutate with copy effects and nobody's going to know what's what.

    Anyways, it's all here:
    https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Mutate
    One other interesting interaction is that if you blink the mutated thing, it separates into individual pieces.
    And if I am reading this one right:
    This applies to stealing with Robber with the Reach and Covetous Urge.
     
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  7. lukaszek the determinator

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    its... funny and annoying until you figure out everything.

    if you blink, it blinks all the pieces. Critter on top is the one for converted mana cost isues. If you remove valid target, it becomes its own critter. Interesting if you consider that some mutate costs are lower than standalone critter.

    that explains another confusion i had around counterspells and triggers

    on mutate itself:
    which continues being counter intuitive considering other rules


    ha

    so on blink you get all cards back. On death you get a single trigger

    ha

    annoying mechanincs, like if it was made for different game that didnt take of and they decided to fuse it into new set. A lot of effort for something to be used once. Also a lot of headache for those that were implementing arena, dont know their codebase.
    IQ 200, im too dumb for this. I expect that tournaments will be funny with judges being constantly called in and insecting for 5 mins mutate stack to give verdict
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    im very salty for surveil dissappearance(instead they place same effect with long wording) while scry stayed
     
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  8. lukaszek the determinator

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    in other news, lurrus rakdos cats are insane
     
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  9. new fucking guy Learned Patron

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    lurrus rakdos is possibly the most fun I've had on arena but the mirror melts my brains
    god I hate mirrors
     
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  10. lukaszek the determinator

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    lurrus is giving me identity crisis though
    :despair:
     
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  11. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    Whats this new "champion" thing.

    I haven't had time to read about all the changes in MTGA

    Fools casting these champions like its gonna save their failed deck. I'll exile ur champion like the rest of ur deck.
     
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  12. lukaszek the determinator

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    8th card at hand that is always available and cant be discarded. Essentially hidden in your sleeve to be pulled when no one is watching. With restrictions. THey are insanely strong not because they are strong on its own, but because they are unique, engine sort of thing and always there for you. Its like cavalcade deck with ensured cavalcade at hand.
     
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  13. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    How do you enable it?
     
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  14. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    idk if you can exile companions before they enter the battlefield because I think you technically cast it from "outside your deck" even though it's in your starting hand, so something like unmoored ego shouldn't hit it

    when you build a deck in arena there's a companion slot on the left side and you can put the card there to enable it. they're really strong because it's basically a free card, it doesn't count towards the total number of cards in your deck
     
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  15. spectre Arcane

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    Add it to the deck and it'll ask if you want to make it a companion.

    The Companion actually sits in the sidebord slot. Doesn't look like it, but if you switch to SB view, you'll see a card is taken. So yeah, no unmoored ego.
    It's a bit like a one-shot commander that needs you to follow certain deckbuilding restrictions. Personally, I'm not sure if gimping yourself by going 80 cards is worth it, but it's an interesting mechanic nonetheless.
    At first I thought the ones limiting your CMC are bad because that curve is going to be fucked up, but Adventures let you get around this.
     
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  16. lobsterfrogman Educated

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    Actually, it does - it occupies a sideboard slot.
     
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  17. lukaszek the determinator

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    enabling it is annoying. Dont try to import deck as base, make brand new one and insert companion card first. Otherwise I had few tries each time starting game without companion ehh.

    It requires careful planning, kitty one is broken and I wouldnt be surprised if it gets banned. Its everywhere now
     
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  18. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    Mutate is confusing to me also, but I cast a lot of exile spells and if you exile a creature after its mutated, both creatures get exiled. You can see both in the exile pile.
     
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  19. lukaszek the determinator

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    yeah its important to remove critter AFTER mutate, which is against my habits and i keep making that mistake
     
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  20. spectre Arcane

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    I believe this depends on what mutate triggers can potentially be prevented. If it's something like Vulpikeet over Glowstone Recluse (for those not bothering to look it up, it gives a bunch of +1/+1 counters but no card advantage), it's fine to remove after mutation. If it's something like Necropanther over Zagoth Mamba threatening to kill your shit, I'd much rather shoot the mamba from underneath it. Though obviously not if the 4/4 is going to kill me next turn.

    I think they worked really hard on this one to get something close to constructed-playable auras by mitigating a lot of their inherent disadvantages.
     
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  21. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    Etratra the Silencer is the instant-win against mutate faggets.

    Exile all mutated creatures with an "exile counter," and if they have 3 creatures mutated on one thingy, you automatically win. Have something to do the haste stuff, but you know what i mean.
     
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  22. anvi Cipher Village Idiot

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    So is this set fun?
     
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  23. lukaszek the determinator

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    broken. Companions need to go
     
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  24. Dawkinsfan69 Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    Draft is best it's been in a long time.

    Idk about standard other than flying sharks and unpredictable cyclone are hilarious
     
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  25. spectre Arcane

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    Indeed, companions need to go... into your sideboard.
    Thankfully, that's just one rare wildcard in most cases.

    I mostly played premier drafts and it's quite fun. Can be a tad imbalanced due to population problems (a mate decided to use their free token and was immediately paired with platinum dudes while being bronze)
    The new mechanics give you that creative spark as you begin to wonder - what's the best thing to mutate over Barkhide Troll?

    Well, you wanted mono red gone, I think it's mostly gone (only played a handful when ranking up to plat, can't be arsed to go higher as there's no historic ranked, and there was almost none in standard event).
    Of course, there Lurrus Oven which will probably be the new mono red, but at least it comes in two color variants. Folds nicely to Leyline of the Void, so stock up.

    I've read kiddies complain about Winota, and random youtubers tooting durr durr, broken, but honestly, it's there to be countered or die of removal. It's in the name. Win not, ah?
    I'll show myself out.

    Best thing is probably ChannelFrajerball put most of their shit behind paywalls, so peeople need to jump a few more hoops before getting the kosher netdeck list, though that might change once some high profile tourney results come in.
     
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