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Discussion in 'The Gazebo' started by Grunker, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    yeah, i figured it out, thanks :)
     
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    on today's episode: i draft like shit, end up with an awful, awful deck, and 3-0 anyway

    http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=9rscp#p1p1

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    the next time someone tells me that swiss players are better, i'll laugh hard until i spit a lung or something
     
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  4. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    So, for a couple uninteresting reasons, i didn't go to work today
    did some stuff i had to do, had time to spare, let's see how JOU changes the format!

    http://www.raredraft.com/watch?d=b9ssq

    seems to me that it got slower and more controllish and grindy, also, constellation seems boring in draft, might be good in constructed i guess...

    this thread is dead, people share your thoughts about theros draft and stuff, come on.
    also, i have a block deck that might be good.

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    And then shot in the head... 7 times.
     
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    How much money does it take to be reasonably competitive in the online version?
     
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    Who ever came up with Biovisionary card should be forced to play Yugi-Oh in hell in eternity. Btw only stage in MTG 2013 that needs thinking what deck to use.
     
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    I can speak as a newish MTGO user since I started using it not more than an year ago.

    It really depends on your skill and also what you are into. Buying up the cards for the constructed formats is rather expensive, even for standard most of the times the cards that are being played in the top decks cost even more than the paper versions which is insane. If you want to draft or play sealed it costs more or less as much as your local fnm, but the prices are usually bigger, so if you are able to win drafts consistently it can be pretty cheap.

    In the end I still prefer paper magic and I consider mtgo overpriced, but I play it from time to time as I don't aways have the time to go to the club.
     
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  10. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    to clarify: you're not supposed to buy the boosters at wotc "store", you buy them from bots, where they are MUCH cheaper. So, all included, a draft costs you about 10 dollars to start, and if you 1) can win often enough 2) are lucky enough to sometimes open the sought-after mythics, it's not that difficult to lower the cost of a draft to 4/6 dollars or even less, and that's with an average level of skill, because apparently a lot of awful players play MODO
     
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    What's this draft thing?

    I'm not sure I understand it fully.. a quick google left me with the impression that it is a sort of game that multiple players buy into. Then take turns picking cards from the same pool of unopened booster packs. Then they play a tournament to win a prize of some sort. I'm not sure if you keep the cards after you pick them or after the tournament?


    If you keep the cards this sounds like a good way to get into the online version though. It sounds like deck building skills and luck are the dominant factor in victory instead of owning the right cards.


    Although I did find a group that meets every friday in my area.. might be worth considering joining up with them. I'll have to think on this.
     
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  12. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    yes, drafting means that (usually) 8 players sit around a table with three booster packs. Everyone opens the first booster pack, chooses a card and passes the booster to the left. Repeat until no cards are left, open second pack, pass to the right this time. Then third pack and pass to the left again.

    The key element is signaling/cutting. Basically, you start picking the strongest cards, and by pick 4 or 5 you can start realizing what colors are being passed to you. Let's say that there's a very good card in red as your fourth pick. That means that the three players before you didn’t pick it, and therefore aren’t probably playing red. This means that decent red cards will keep coming, and it is in your best interest to pick them, so the people to your left don’t get any red card and use some other color, and second pack they’ll be passing red cards to you. And third pack, the players to your right will probably keep not picking red cards, giving you a better selection.

    Some people do it differently, they try to “force” the archetype they want to get, that is, they pick the colors they like even if there are better cards in other colors. I don’t usually do this with a few exceptions, as I find it not to be very effective most of the time.

    it's simple to grasp but can become quite complex and engaging, it's without a doubt my favorite format, and of course yes, you do get to keep the cards at the end. Which means that some people will "rare draft" even if the card is not in their colors. Which is fine and you should do it too, especially with very valuable cards.

    It's fun, it takes less than two hours to complete and it's a high C&C environment, where sometimes you have to pick the second best card in the pack because you need to fill the casting cost curve and so on. And frankly, playing against draft decks is much more fun than playing against the usual 5 decks that constitute the standard/block metagame...
     
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    Well.. I thought on this and i've decided to give the in person play a go and think about the online version later.

    There is a weekly get together at the local comic book store here in a couple hours... I'm gonna go to that and give it a shot. Maybe I'll go a little early so I can learn how to play again before buying into the drafts.

    Drafts are only $13 the guy said.. which is cheaper than I expected.
     
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    Ok.. the drafting and tournament took way longer than I expected. Before I go next week, I'm definitely going to take a nap when I get off work. The whole tournament took like 4 hours.

    They did a draft on a set called Conspiracy, everybody said it was a really bad set for collecting cards but it was fun to play. It had a lot of unique mechanics to the gameplay. Add that to the fact that I have no idea what 90% of the new things do in magic since the 2nd or 3rd edition, I made a lot of mistakes in my gameplay.

    I think that might have ultimately helped me win the tournament though. In conspiracy you play 4 man games, and since I was the obvious noob, didn't know which cards to pick, and felt like the easy kill to everybody they all fought each other and tried to pick me off last.

    That sort of turned to my advantage because I had terrible cards, which everybody informed me after the draft, but I played them in "unusual" ways, which was kind of amusing watching everybody *blink* at me like wtf after I did things. I chose a lot of instants and It also helped that the guy with a really good deck build was trying to help me get into the last round also. He did some 5 conspiracy card combo that killed both other competitors in one round as an example of the game play. I could barely figure out 2 conspiracy card combos.

    On the last round I got my first decent hand draw from my deck. I really need to do a better draft next time, I went with a white and red combo deck but I think I probably should have done blue and red. The last round went fairly quick because I guess everybody got bad draws so when I played a dethrone creature I was able to pump it up fast and I played a few extra "pinger" cards that nobody wanted from the draft and it helped me finish off the smaller creatures people put out. I guess nobody likes larger creatures.

    So I won a gift card to the store and I'm thinking about buying one of those commander decks with it. The commander game sounds like an interesting format because I like larger decks. So I'll see about giving that a go next time. i bought a few boosters of Journey into Nyx but not enough to make a deck out of it just yet. I'll look into getting more cards later. Maybe I'll order a batch of cards off amazon or an auction site so I can try to build some standard format decks.
     
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    ah yes, conspiracy, haven't drafted that myself but i hear it's cards for commander format, which i don't play. Still, the stuff i read sounded fun, i'm just not that into multiplayer things.

    a decent way to know what to draft is the BREAD rule: 1) bombs, pick those high, Removal, removal is always good, Evasion, flyers and unblockable creatures are good, Aggro, pick creatures that are well costed for their stats, Duds, the shit cards you have to pick to round out the deck.
     
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    you have the chance to draft M15 in a month or so, base set are always good fun and easier to grasp, and all you have to do is pick removal and fliers. wait for that and you'll probably love it.
     
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    Hmm.. I'm trying to think about how I want to go about collecting these cards.

    I'm thinking of printing out a list from somewhere and maybe spending 30$ a week toward collecting cards. I don't want to spend too much money on a hobby but I think 30$ would be ok without getting too invested.

    I ended up using the gift card I won to buy a 4000 common card box from the comic shop. The common cards were from a lot of different sets.. I think the oldest cards I saw in the box I bought was from the Arabian Nights set. They had tons of boxes in the back and I also bought some other game related items (sleeves / dice / various sized boxes / etc). The cards aren't great but I just needed something that I could build random decks with and play with friends.. maybe get them interested in this also. I played with some of them on Sunday and they were more interested in it than I expected. We spent a few hours just rummaging through the box and making random decks. They were terrible decks but we had fun so whatever.

    Although Sunday appeared to be Warhammer day at the comic shop so we ended up going to my friends house to play.

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    I heard something about a new set coming out next month.. the comic shop mentioned something about it and they are already planning to do a draft on it when it's released I think. I figure I'll keep doing the draft tournament things as long as my work doesn't interfere. I don't care about winning the tournaments.. but I get to see how others play when I do the draft format so it's a worthwhile investment imo.
     
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  18. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    usually though when a new set comes out it's sealed deck, not draft
    sealed deck sucks dick
     
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  19. Ranselknulf Arcane Patron

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    sealed deck does seem kind of lame.

    Can you at least look at a card list pre-release to try and figure out a strategy? If you can trade cards around from the sealed decks it might be ok.
     
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    There is usually a full spoiler of the set up at least 3 days before the physical prerelease, so at least 2 weeks before mtgo events start firing. You can not trade cards between people when sealing, just as with drafting.

    Sealed deck is pretty much babbies first limited format, and way less fun than drafting.


    I'll be drafting innistrad on wednesday. What is the most fun archetype to draft? Are there any haxor-op cards I need to look out for?
     
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  21. Scruffy The janitor Patron

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    innistrad what? triple innistrad or in/da/ar?
     
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    yeah, triple innistrad.

    but there's not even anything to enchant him with !
     
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    Played my first draft of Vintage Masters yesterday. 2-1 Swiss with Blue/Green madness. Deck was TONS of fun. Why must this format be so expensive? :(
     
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    Self-milling UGb Spider Spawning/Gnaw to the Bone decks are both powerful and fun. Burning Vengeance decks are also great, but harder to draft I think.
     
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