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Mass Effect Mass Effect Series Retrospective by Shamus Young

Discussion in 'BioWare' started by Infinitron, Jul 15, 2015.

  1. Lhynn Arcane

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    But dragon age inquisition didnt sell all that well, and andromeda is not all that hyped. I havent taken an interest in it and i barely know its coming, for really hyped games i know almost everything there is to know about them by proxy, dont even need to actively look for info about them.
     
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  2. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    I'll happily be proven wrong and see Bioware go down in flames.
     
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  3. Lhynn Arcane

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    I like to think it wont go down in flames, it will merely be taken to the back of the shed by EA and mercifully shot and dumped in the common grave they have there. It will be in far better company than it deserves tho.
     
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  4. pippin Guest

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    If Bioware insists in making a Bioware game (you know what I'm talking about) Andromeda will fail. Although I've always seen ME as the most successful franchise of nubioware.
     
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  5. J1M Arcane

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    Infinitron, which part does he discuss the ending where you reject the 3 choices?

    Based on my math, that was actually the only reasonable choice. (For Shepard, but also the player.)
     
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  6. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    It's time for one last unfortunate visit to the Mass Effect universe!

     
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  7. SpaceWizardz Learned

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    Yes Mr. Young, a Mass Effect game where you explore procedurally generated environments under the context that it is Sci-Fi and that the things you find are never before seen does sound like a bad idea, and it's a good thing that none of the games ever tried to do this.


    Out of Touch AAA developer tried to emulate a game from 10+ years ago for and they couldn't even do that, that is why Andromeda sucks.

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  8. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    This seems like an inordinate amount of time to dedicate to this game.
     
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  9. Bumvelcrow Bellator Sempervirens Patron

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    I loved Shamus's evisceration of Mass Effect, and I will love this too. Plus, I'm never planning on playing the game so I can consider this a nitpicky playthrough.
     
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  10. Falksi Arcane

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    ME1 was IMO a top game. Something that really captured that space-explorer vibe despite all it's flaws. It actually had elements to the combat I prefered over the others too, namely the heat system (ammo often makes combat so fucking boring) & the fact it was geared towards making you pause more mid-combat (which just felt & looked really cool). It really built things up well, had a superb balance of RPG elements for a casual, shooter "RPG", and for me they really nailed a load of good stuff. Wonderful atmosphere, and some great C&C. Played through 4 times, enjoyed every one, and will play through again.

    ME2 felt like an inferior, yet decent spin-off. It's like one of ME1's cast got their own series. It suffered badly for the additional streamlining and obvious Mako-for-mining switch, but overall it was just really fucking boring for massive portions. It relied WAY too much on gameplay as the gameplay was the worst in the series - neither as good as ME3 or as roleplay-focussed as the original. Still, the classic "form a gang" vibe did a lot for me, and I enjoyed it to a decent degree just for that. Played through 3 times, only really enjoyed the 2nd playthrough, the rest were "meh".

    ME3 was fucking wank. Forget the ending, the shambolic inconsistancies (my Shepard was a sole survivor, so I pissed myself when I saw a man who had seen family slain, comrades slain, and slain thousands himself get choked up and start dreaming about 1 fucking kid lol), the awful attempt at being an "RPG" (picking up quests by tab-hanging? Really?), the absolute butchery of former characters (the Illusive Man's laughable transition from morally grey figure to Scooby-Do villain in the first few hours especially), and the fucking absurd hand-holding made it shite before the ending even existed. Yes they did nail the gameplay, but the rest of it was so bad it didn't matter. Played through half of it and youtubed the ending. Sorry, all 3 endings. Wank.

    MEA actually started really well for me. I was prepared for it being a dumb shooter, so I really enjoyed the first 5-6 hours with the setup & initial exploration. 10 hours in and the repetitive nature of it & poor characters started to show, 15 hours in and it fell apart into sheer mind-numbing boredom. And for a game based around powers & gameplay, most powers were dull as hell and way too similar. Gave up after 15 hours.
     
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  11. Bumvelcrow Bellator Sempervirens Patron

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    I agree, and that's the only way to play it, because if you think of it as the sequel to ME1 then it becomes really hard to tolerate. When are we going to get to the plot, mommy?
     
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  12. Jarpie Arcane Patron

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    ME1 was IMO the last decent (or even good) game by Bioware, the gameplay was pretty shit, but it was fun scifi schlock. The things in the setting were obviously ripped off from the other mediums, for example how humans are quickly becoming one of the strong races with almost going to the war with one of the other races was "influenced" by Babylon 5, with the difference that there was an actual war in B5. Didn't even bother with the sequels as ME2 looked lot more retarded.

    After ME1 Bioware seemed to lost their way, Derp Age Origins was so fucking boring, that being said, I haven't played ME1 since the initial playthrough, which was like a decade ago so I probably remember it being better than it is.
     
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  13. Spectacle Arcane

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    It's convenient that you can get all 3 endings in one video.
     
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  14. RepHope Learned

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    I’m glad he’s not just bashing the surface criticism of the terrible animations. There were so many bad decisions made that it’s a wonder the game shipped at all.
     
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  15. RegionalHobo Educated

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    Procedural open world? At the best they would get a even emptier dragon age inquisition experience, even more MMORPG lite garbage. It seems they really tried to make a product with gigantic scope, scraped it and had to make something that works in months with the assets. What a mess.

    You know, i'm less critical than most here about bioware. I think ME 1 was a really damm good game in a genre that s not easy to execute. ME 2 like another user said, seems like a fps spin off, remembers me of ff crisis core, but it s good for what it is. Dragon age : Origins? I did not like most of the cast, but it was a good rpg with a decent setting .

    That said DA 2 + ME 3 double punch? That killed the studio for me no doubt, but as bad as DA 2 was i think ME 3 is the most heretical game, perhaps because i liked the franchise a lot more.

    When the second wave of decline came i already did not care. That said, i went with the 7 seas version for andromeda and inquisition and could not end either game. Absolute garbage titles with even less redeeming features than DA 2 and ME 3.

    The third wave is about to start with their take on destiny. at this point i'll not even pirate their games.
     
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  16. Agame Savant

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    Yea its mind boggling!

    To be honest I find all this angsty analysis of these type of games hilarious and also fascinating.

    It reminds me of the Fallout 3 vs 4 debate, and the vast amount of internets devoted to explaining why F4 is a terrible game, and F3 is somehow better. Guess what, they are both utterly shitty RPGs.

    Here is my analogy: A guy sitting down with two piles of steaming feces in front of him, and he is trying to explain to you why one of them is great and the other one is terrible, and then he starts stuffing that tasty F3 shit right into his mouth and gives you a big shit eating grin with chunks of Todd Howards long digested lunch dribbling down his chin. "Mmm Mmmm now that is some tasty shit!!"

    F4 is better than F3 because mechanically its superior, and as a shooty run around in a post apoc landscape game its fun. As a Fallout game and an RPG both F3 and 4 are complete garbage and equally bad.

    I have played all the ME games and I found very little difference between any of them. They are all derpy sci fi games where you run around and pew pew aliens. And thats fun for what it is. Andromeda was just the same derpy pew pew and flying around in a spaceship. And I had fun playing andromeda because I wasnt expecting some kind of prestigious next level RPG.
     
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  17. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Retarded drivel of analysis. Anyone who says "ME2 grate, ME3 hot garbage" immediately loses any credibility with me. It's usually pandering to common wisdom - everyone "knows" ME2 is popular nad ME3 is shat on so everyone will agree with me and that'll feel so good. Baloney.

    I've replayed the entire trilogy last year. If there's something that stood out to me it's how similar both games are. Like two breeds of dogs. There are differences if you come close enough but they're both fucking dogs. The structure, the gameplay, the narrative architecture, the level design. Both have offensively retarded plots and endings, it's just people forgot how bad it is for ME2. Both are basically the same. Recently I've seen some dumbass on Youtube proclaiming AssCreed Origins is garbage but AssCreed Odyssey is a very good game. No you moron, in the grand scheme of things they're fucking twins. You can find differences to justify why you like one game more than the other but there's no universe where one would be very good and the other "garbage". They're too similar for that. The same is true for ME2 and ME3.

    So that's bad enough for this here Seamus. But then he doubles down and says Andromeda is not as bad, certainly not as terrible as ME3? What is this guy doing trying to write wannabe high-brow, detailed video game analyses with a judgement and taste like this? Literally shaking rn. I know Codex is generous and always willing to accommodate naked retardery of all kinds but this is stretching the limit. This stuff can give you brain cancer, even if you already have one.
     
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  18. Nutria Learned

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    You lost me there. The whole point of everything he's written about Mass Effect is that it starts sucking right at the beginning of ME2.
     
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  19. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Unlike great many people he's not saying ME2 is outright great, no, but he's making a distinction. He says ME2 didn't make him angry and wasn't horrible, whereas ME3 did and is. Like...no. That's just pandering to the common wisdom.
     
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  20. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    ME2 inherently can't make people as mad as ME3 did because it's not the conclusion of a trilogy. There's a tradition of middle acts of a story going off in unusual directions. People accept that as long as everything comes together again at the end.
     
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  21. YldriE Educated

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    I marathoned the trilogy earlier this year so nostalgia and fetishization of older games cannot come into play.

    Gameplay-wise I won't argue that the game just became slicker and more polished, though it 100% committed to being an action-centric cover shooter and I would say a great one at that. I had a lot of fun approaching Mass Effect 3 as a combat game, especially with all that gun porn and the fact that the series had finally stopped beating around the bush. No point in killing a good action game with arbitrary restrictions and clunkiness just because you want to pretend you are an RPG and please neither audience.

    But holy turd, the writing was all over the place. In the first, everything was solid and self-contained, and in the second you have a mediocre main plot and great sitcom character dialogues and arcs.

    The real genetic abomination is 3, and you cannot blame it on nostalgia as I had finished 2 just before. Every fucking dialogue in 3 felt wrong, and I'm sorry if the best word I can come up with is "frustrating". It felt like Shepard always went out of his way to 1) speak without my input 2) say something stupid, nonsensical or otherwise irrelevant.

    I was really torn between how fun the gunplay was and how antagonistic the dialogues felt, but the fun gave way (I had several months of Mass Effect behind me as that point, and Dead Space before that) and I just wanted it to end and self-congratulate on a job well done.

    But then I decided to do a few sidequests and somehow one of them was that DLC where you end up getting Wrex and other old characters (no clue it existed so I was an inch away from missing it entirely, had I done the main quest), and HOLY SHIT it was night and day.

    All of a sudden you return to clean and punchy dialogues, funny one-liners, interesting plots, a large number of new areas with superb visual design, and that thing would just never fucking end, it took me a while to get to the end. How pricy was this DLC? While up until that point I was getting major ending fatigue, it turned everything around and I was once again eagerly hoping for more.

    So the writing team didn't "just lost all talent", since I assume the DLC was produced after the main game. How did the same people make the neverending frustration of Mass Effect 3 and the constant fun of the DLC?

    And in before SJWs-did-it because the Andromeda characters look like Tumblr parodies.
     
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    citadel dlc is the true game. had they sold it as "the secret of masseffect island" it'd have been one of the best games ever. but they didn't, and me3 is one of the most iq-depriving experiences ever. then andromeda came, and me3 didn't seem so bad anymore in comparison.
     
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  23. cvv Arcane Patron

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    Citadel was fun but the writing team hasn't changed and there's no difference in the "quality" of dialogues between the base game and Citadel. It's all smoke and mirrors and confirmation bias.

    Btw the plot of ME2 wasn't "mediocre", it was just as laughable, nonsensical and incoherent as the ME3, unless you think Jesus Shephard and insect aliens building a goofy humanoid reaper out of actual people is anything less than outright retarded. Oh and as for the characters - I suppose ME2 can boast more characters that are not offensively dumb and annoying...by about one and half.
     
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  24. oldmanpaco Master of Siestas

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    People rip on ME2 but remember Bioware made the only black character's father a deadbeat dad who drugged and raped women. Shit was real.
     
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    He clearly says that ME2 completely ruined all that ME1 had built and that the writers were either incompetent or just didn't like ME1. He doesn't need to say LOL THEY RETARDED because he shows it by pointing out in the actual game how pretty much every choice made by bioware was the wrong choice for the game. The part that he finds redeemable is the actual shooting gameplay, which is a mild improvement over the first (A point for debate, sure, but not a retarded or shill-y thing to say)
     
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