Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

Talk is cheap.

Beyond that, Cain was just an example. I specifically recall Josh mentioning RPGs under one roof as object for his criticism about how designers fail to focus on gameplay.

 

According to Josh, most RPG developers don't even *talk* about making games fun.

I do wish to back off slightly. I think Cain does focus on making his games fun, but it's a different approach from Sawyer.
Cain's idea of fun: the player always has multiple real choices for how to handle the current situation
Sawyer's idea of fun: the choices presented to the player are actually fun to do

 

uninteresting combat mechanics and/or content

 

OTOH when designers *do* focus on the gameplay, they do it completely ass-backwards, by trying to tailor it to completely arbitrary, abstract systems concocted with utter disregard for what they are meant to represent.

Case in point - Derpus Ex: IW and grorious universal ammo.

 

yeah, deus ex is a class a example of developers focused on gameplay

motherfucker every decision made in that game was about introducing deus ex to a console environment

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NOT ABSTRACT SYSTEMS, PLEAAAAAAAAASE

 

Relevant stuff at 3:12

 

I don't remember such an honest and precise autocritique from any other developer. Refreshing.

 

You should be more sensitive, abstraction killed Draq's dad.

 

He's clearly not talking to anyone from Bethesda.

 

Traitor.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/64...onger-well-i-sure-hope-so/page-6#entry1407354

Josh continues to be the best ever. If he wasn't around, I probably would have given up on RPGs as a genre already. Unfortunately for you guise.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/64...onger-well-i-sure-hope-so/page-6#entry1407354

Is he serious?! In what ways were any of the IE games' challenge "oppressive or frustrating" ...unless he's talking about pathfinding.

 

I dunno, ask him what things he's talking about specifically?

 

Sometimes i wonder if you aren't actively trying to make us hate him. You won't succeed!

 

Someone go masquerade as a retard who thinks they won't enjoy the game on the Eternity forums and get some of the mechanics changed

 

Dude. It's been established multiple times that Josh agrees with retards that buying equipment is teh hard. He's an idiot when it comes to that aspect. The fact that he's developing a hardcore mode with, according to him, more satisfying difficulty than the IE-games, is enough for me.

Nah, bro. Don't you remember the sixteen times we debated his quotes about Icewind Dale being too difficult to newer players (i.e. "we have to buy equipment at Pomab because some guy told us the roads would be dangerous?") and "RPG players suck, IE-games were insanely difficult for them" (yes, my 12-year-old, non-English speaking self truly must have been a master of gaming)?

Sawyer is full of sympathy for those who found the IE-games tricky, sadly. However, I'm not too worried about that, since he has made more than enough comforting statements on the nature of the harder difficulty levels.

 

That and hard counters you can only learn by save-reload and then memorize the right spells.

 

The only game with this kind of encouters is BG2, not IE games as a whole. Also after a while you just run around with few breaches and rays of reversal or whatever memorized and problem is solved. Also useless character builds argument doesn't even apply to BG since even if your guy is complete dogshit, the 5 other guys can carry him no problem. People who have trouble with IE games on default difficulty are retards and appealing to them will lead to nothing good.

 

BG1/2 is what most people think of when they think of combat in IE. Everyone hates combat in PS:T and about 1/10 of the people who bought BG2 bought an IWD game.

 

"Hate" is a strong word. There's a fine line of difference between something not being good and hating it.

 

Well one thing I really hate is arguing semantics on the internet about throwaway lines.