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Cain has never been particularly vocal about this.

 

Yes, its called good taste.

A lot of weird shit happens in the world. But the fact it does happen doesn't give it any form of legitimacy in the slightest.

 

Just saw this in the George Ziets thread

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/60...llion-stretch-goal/page__st__280#entry1235081

 

Nah, but he's put gayness in every one of his games.

 

I think Tim Cain, being the smart man that he is, probably feels like the Codex on this particular subject. That is, romances are just totally gay and should not be included in the first place.

 

Including something in a game does not immediately mean giving it "legitimacy", for fuck's sake. Only fairyland fantasies qualify then? Is that how you approach literature and other art as well? You are complaing about others including issues in games, but actually you are the one that sees games, and everything else, purely as moral or political statements.

 

o_O

 

That's not what i said.

Why not include a companion that likes to eat feces and get pissed on? Hey, it happens in real life, so why not put it in the game?

 

It is exactly what you said, and you are repeating it again in this post, and your next one. You think art should only contain and be about acceptable things.

I imagine your answer is that he shouldn't be included because eating excrement is disgusting?

Do you really have no imagination? There are games in which such a companion would be very fitting, for example the surreal horrors made by Frictional, that at some points do invoke disgust.

 

That's because art and morality are inseparable from one another.

 

How can art be about what is good when you reject it portraying anything that is bad?

 

And that point is determined by...? Funny, since one of the best arguments against fluffy Bioware romances and emo characters is that they're completely unrealistic. So yeah, I think more realism means a better game.

Look, homosexuality is simply a quite common thing, no need to get your knickers in a twist.

 

THen you fail to see what I mean.

It is unimportant whether the thing is realistic or not (how does one even decide that in terms of social issues?). The point is whether it makes the story better or not. If it is not adding anything to the story or is somehow making it weaker then it should not be there.

This is exactly why I believe ROmanecs should not be in games. I hope that is the reason for MCA as well although I can't guarantee that.

 

ITT we learn asper doesn't understand what good taste is.

 

Still, that only means that you can include romances, the *ghay*, paedophilia and all bunch of other stuff if they reinforce themes of the story. For example, TWitcher 2 did that pretty well without compromising its plot or gameplay (the quality of the latter is questionable, but its problem did not stem from the game touching upon these issues).

 

Including gays or romances also isn't a "message". I agree with you that every element of the game should reinforce it, but you seem to draw the conclusion from this that no good game with these elements is possible at all. If something is good and fits the context, it may enhance the game, and that holds also for romances.The Nameless' One story with Deionarra was also a romance of sorts, and it was one of the driving threads of Torment. I agree with you that the criterion should be - "does it enhance the game?" and not political views or whatever.

 

Only partially. There were numerous major controversial conflicts and powerplay which were the focus of the game (the whole racism, and terrorism themes) which the characters were directly involved in.

And as for really sensitive issues I think it was safe to say that in case of TW2, it was touching upon them done right. All of them did reinforce the themes of corruption and double-standards, even if they sort of happened in the background. And I think it is important to explore such issues, however difficult they may be.

This doesn't change the fact that this level of insight into difficult issues is possible in games. Even if TW2 is based on a series of books, it doesn't mean that PE cannot mirror its approach on its own.

 

This thread keeps taking the most bizarre turns.


So hay I hear this gaem has kooldowns.

 

If he wants to truly learn about medieval metaphysics, he should check out Plotinus and Meister Eckhart. Aquinas was a sensationalist, which makes his thinking anti-metaphysical. Schuon explains as such in his argument against reason:

http://www.sophia-perennis.com/philosophy/raison_intellection.htm

Also, what is medieval thought without Boetius?

 

Statistically, somewhere between 5 and 20% of the West's population identifies as at least somewhat gay/lesbian. Which means, statistically speaking, every game you play is at least partially gay. So yeah, you're already screwed.