Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

Touché, but the Codex argues about/expresses blind hate for a wide variety of topics, and some people occasionally manage to agree with each other. This PE health mechanics argument has been ongoing for months now.

For the record, I'm in favor of punishing difficulty, partially due to personal preference but also because I'd love to see the Obsidian forums explode just after release.

 

You know... I really like what he's saying here:

It means that these games will be play-tested and player-feedback will be taken into account for things like tweaking these games. I think that's why Blizzard's Starcraft 1 and 2 were/are so popular. Some people might think they're turds of games, but damn! they are well-balanced and replayable. There's a lot of tactical strategy involved because Blizzard took the time to beta-test those games and adjust the numbers till they were "perfect." And I think it shows in that people play those games, and even sit and discuss tactics.

I just hope that Obsidian starts beta/play-testing early enough in advance so that real player feedback can occur. I want to break Sawyer's game ASAP and tell him what parts are broken.

 

Jesus, what a tard that moderator is. "Waaaaahhh, my health is low and my characters will dieeeeee... waaaaahhhh".

 

"This PE health mechanics argument has been ongoing for months now."

Only months? That's mere child play. TB vs RT vs RTw/P has been going on for a decade +. FFS

 

Obsidian forums have moderators who have never played Planescape Torment.

Yeah, seriously. Not a nice place to lurk.

 

You've gotta be kidding me! Next you'll come and say that there are Obsidian developers who have never played Arcanum... oh wait.

 

Arcanum is one thing, Planescape is a whole other. A.WHOLE.OTHER.

 

There is a more direct line in heritage from Black Isle to Obsidian than there is from Troika to Obsidian.

Having said that, MCA should feel fucking ashamed.

 

Bunch of dipshit storyfags in that thread. Watcher's Keep was the ONLY good thing in an otherwise mediocre expansion. I had more fun clearing it out than I had with any of the other areas combined.

 

Watcher's Keep sucked balls and everyone knows it. It was just a mish mash of different enemies in there. Nothing interesting. If I want to just fight a bunch of enemies then I'd go do a couple of random encounters. The only thing worthwhile in the whole dungeon was Demogorgon because he was a challenge. Everything else, especially at that late in the game was just boring. Yeah I got a bunch of cool loot I wouldn't have otherwise found, but potion bags and +3 arrows doesn't a 7 level dungeon make. Durlog's Tower was much better implemented.

 

Keep was great get that goldbox collection out of your ass.

 

The first place where the dragon was one of the weaker opponents - what a joke. Even if you are a combatfag, why would you want something so mindless?

Although, now that I'm reviewing the puzzles, there were one or two good ones there.

 

That thread is depressing.

 

Your problem is with ToB in general; it made you OP in general. Keep was the best part of the xpack and wellmade within that framework.

 

There were a bunch of other places better than the keep. The fight with Yaga-Shura where you would constantly have soldiers attacking you, the fight with Abazigal, hell even Bhaal's pocket pane was more interesting. Many of these places kept in mind that you would be OP and their difficulties were in line with that.

But for a megadungeon to lack variety in combat strategy and then have all kinds of crazy backgrounds doesn't make much sense. They obviously didn't put too much thought into the place. If it was meant to be a tactical challenge, like I said, only demogorgon was that. If it was mant to be story-driven, it didn't do that at all until the very last second. Whatever the goal was, it failed.

So it might have been the gem in a pile of turd, but it was still a pretty turdy-looking gem.

 

That I can agree with, ToB in general was not of the same quality as the other BG games.

The curse of high level ADnD I guess.

 

I found ToB unplayable.

 

I never bothered playing it.

 

Watcher's Keep's problems had nothing to do with high levels, it just wasn't a very well designed dungeon. The very first level and the final encounter with Demogorgon was well done, but most of it occupied with boring crap like the chromatic demon.

 

ToB would have benefited from more "storyfag-ness" and less "let's just rush toward the finish"...

there should have been a BG/BG2 sized content filled chapter before facing each of the 5, it also would have been a great opportunity to pad out a rather unfamiliar Tethyr region (for those of us who don't read FR books).

Finally, it needed a darker tone...for some reason SoA felt darker and more urgent when it was ToB that supposedly had shit hitting the fan.

 

Watcher's Keep is Durlag's Tower done wrong.