Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

P:E will be encompassing the lower levels of D&D play, more akin to say BG1 and IWD1. I think they said it should end with you being able to get up to about level 12 in terms of D&D.

BG2 was like level 7 (or 8 if you imported a TotSC char) to ~17-19ish, so it's fine with me if the first game doesn't have absolutely spell-jamming wizard battles ... but P:E2 however ...

 

Umm, no, he can criticize all he wants. Even though "all systems get it wrong" is really pretty much retarded and when you say that, and then keep claiming you'll fix it (basically by patching with retarded shit like minigames or cooldowns, buy hey) then you kinda have to show up something for your claims since it stops being just simply critique.

 

Well, I can see why you might perceive the tone as such, but in such a case I would say Sawyer being an "unproven" designer is rather irrelevant, because having a better resume doesn't excuse an arrogant tone.

 

No, but after making many flawed games as well you shouln't pose yourself as the wisest designer in the world, that will fix all flaws...

Well, let's put this on hold them and wait for further info... it will probably end being at least a decent game, but still Josh should get down from his "holier than thou" illusion and replay NWN2 before dismissing other games like shit.

 

So true! Obsidian shan't let us down. I like their games already but a less streamlined 2d game without publisher interference will be BLAST OFF time.

 

Is always a douche thing, but never living up to his speech adds insult to injury. Lord British saying he'll make a game as gret as Ultima VII is interesting... the guy is the father of cRPGs after all. Josh saying he'll fix all issues in cRPGs after designing NWN2 OC is just retarded...

Of course, he'll say that there was the publisher pressure, and the limited budget, and the license deal and all that... but so had the games he attacks, and they all did better than him. It goes without saying that most of the games would be tons better if they didn't have those challenges, but if Josh only works well in "perfect conditions", to hell with him. The guy is hyping himself more than Peter Molyneux FFS, releasing a "okay" game now won't cut.

 

So the codex cannot into celtic language.

Neither can I

 

NWN2 OC was an abortion, but I don't think Sawyer actually had all that much to do with it. I'm fairly sure he was brought on later into the project's development, which was a total mess. I'm sure Roguey can tell us more.

Edit: Infinitron beat me to the punch.

 

And working at Bethesda now, possibly on the next Fallout.

Edit: According to Annie, Sawyer was it who made the game at least playable. It was even more of a mess before.

 

I don't think he does pretend to be the best designer in the world. He does say he will try to avoid making mistakes though - why wouldn't he? Should he try to make mistakes?

 

Heh, some nice and relevant quotes in that thread from Sawyer.

 

Ok, so all we have to judge him is New Vegas? Oh, we can't use that either, because they were forced to use shitty Bethesda game engine and to release it early... so we are left with....?

 

Why the hell does the discussion seem to fall back on "what Sawyer's like" every 5 pages or so? He's not the only person working on the project and i doubt Obisidian's project development system is dictatorshi-like where project lead vetoes everyone and does whatever he wants without caring what the other people say. Sawyer clearly seems to have some hardcore fans on here (one in particular) and a few haters as well (again one in particular at least in the last few pages), why are people feeding them with more off-topic material by arguing on Sawyer with them?

 

What does this even mean?

 

New Vegas is perfectly fine to judge Sawyer with.

The glorious time when VD cared and eventually died a little inside. But the most disturbing part of that old thread was Volourn's grammar.

How much of a mess was NwN2 again? Having to reimplement the same system used on the past game...

 

Meh, most of what was discussed over the last few pages smacks of butthurt whether one is for or against Sawyer. Lots of people regurgitating the same stuff over and over again as if repeating it will make it true.

 

Feel free to start a smart and proper discussion whennever you want if my butthurt-ness bothers you.