Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

honestly, there are so many bits of information everywhere (and mechanics are probably shifting and changing) that sometimes i'll forget a specific mechanics' workings.

Thanks though.

 

Sounds like rogues are going to be sins, like fighters are going to be tanks, like wizards are going to be sorcerers, like monks are going to be hexers. Im probably wrong, but thats the impression i got from what sawyer said.

 

I thought that was Torment which was supposed to be a JRPG where every character is an unique snowflake with unique abilities and unique equipment?

 

every class is a unique snowflake in combat as a category. but they all play similarly in terms of the range of combat abilities allowed them, to an extent. so 11 totally unique snowflakes + or - a few talents, attributes, abilties, etc to distinguish them even further.

at least that's the way I see it.

 

It actually kinda bothers me, but heh, its ok i guess, back to 2nd ed. which was so much better than 3rd or 4th... I still hate the idea of a rogue doing more damage than a fucking warrior or a monk relying on getting hit

 

The rogue is not a DnD rogue. The rogue is a fighter who specializes in targeting an opponents' weak spots and avoiding being hit. The warrior is a fighter who specializes in defense and getting as many hits as possible.

 

^ x10

 

Confirming that Arcanum is one of the best cRPGs ever, since it allows that (complete quest, kill quest giver for XP, raise as zombie servant). If it only had non-shit combat... Sigh.

 

And here i thought that a rogue was a sneaky type of character, its essence is in not being where the big stupid fighters are swinging stuff, that and being a walking plot hook for the party on a city. They should just rename it to something like swashbuckler or assassin, or maybe wow-rogue, that will make you go "ahhhh i see" instead of "uh?" when you read the class role after reading its name.
Also, how the fuck do you out-damage a claymore to the forehead? Unless rogues get to use shotguns i dont see that happening.

 

I haven't finished IWD2 either although it's a bitch to get working properly and the flickering cursor is annoying.

 

Sounds like the power curve will be pretty flat

 

In 2013, fighters do not use claymores. They dual-wield two shields, and their skills and feats mostly revolve around screaming "hit me! hit me more, baby! i was a bad boy! your father is a hamster!" at the enemies.

 

So you are basically advocating for one hit kill with all weapons from the begging of the game? Also game developer is a stupid job title, all you need is software engineers, artists and historians with knowledge of the medieval combat techniques to make a perfect RPG.

 

Wake me up when the majority of naysayers in this thread has found something more interesting than "omg that's not realistic" to use as a basis for their arguments.

 

In my ideal arr pee gee:
A warrior should be damage(your maul)+defense(your plate)+debuff(your techniques with your weapon)+buff(tactical shouts).
A rouge should be damage(positional)+evasion(relies on luck and agility to keep damage to 0, if he gets hit its over, this could be achieved by a fast regen evasion pool)+distraction/debuff(tricks with items, poisons, etc)
A mage should be the bookworm that wields the power to control(crows control spells)+direct damage(no rolls, just suck or suck)+buff/debuff

And you should be able to choose where your toon will excel within his range, while being good at the rest. Everything else should be a hybrid of these classes

Like Martial Artists ( M o n k sounds retarded and brings some connotations that should really not be associated with it from a role playing standpoint). A perfect hybrid between a fighter and a rogue.

Now having said that im going to just wait till people from obsidian, inxile and winter wolves shower me with job offers.

Infinitron a rogue can be a bum, or a thug, neither of which should have profesional training and knowledge of human anatomy to a degree that would allow them to do more damage with a scalpel than a mountain with a buster sword. It simply does not fit in.
Grunker The problem isnt that its not realistic, the problem is that it does not feel right and we at the codex care about that kind of shit, unless you somehow missed the point of this whole forum, like you often do with your rants.

 

Wrong on all counts.

 

If that was the case then rogues would be precision damage, which would be pretty fucking useless against a golem or a slime, like it was on 3E. No, i think they are going in a direction where rogues simply do more damage because thats their role.
Plus you said it yourself, warriors are going to have lots of attacks apparently. Besides, if parrys were the factor, then positional damage should be increased exponentially (from the sides or from behind).

 

So I can't backtrack (a rather short distance) to a camp as much as I want and rest to full health in PE? If I missed something, then please correct me.

 

Also correct me if I am wrong but a 'warrior' can also be a bum or a thug... I'm pretty sure the class distinction (at least in this case) is not meant as a profession, more of a descriptor in how said individual chooses to go about killing people.

 

Hyperbole makes all arguments stupid.

Han Solo was a rogue. He used a ranged weapon and was just as deadly as anyone.