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Path of Exile is a MAJESTIC incline

Discussion in 'MMO(RP)G / Online Discussion' started by raw, Jun 30, 2012.

  1. ArchAngel Arcane

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    I did a different build. I went all in on damage so used two Obliteration wands. And Bladefall did very well vs anything including high hp/high defense enemies. I just wanted something to clear riff-raff in large aoe and for Breaches. I tried like 20 different skills, in the end I think I used Vortex+Inc AoE or something since trap damage passives and shit double dip.
     
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  2. Quatlo Arcane

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    I feel crazy enough to try wild strike since it converts 100% of phys now. Could be fun.
     
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  3. TOME Cuckmaster General

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    I tried this briefly but sadly my potato computer couldn't handle it.
     
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  4. T. Reich Arcane

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    The biggest drawback of wild strike is its abysmal single target damage. I tried it back in 2.1.0, and ele weakness on blasphemy really helped.
    Thankfully, it's not pre-2.2.0 anymore. We've got all sorts of power-creepiness to assist us.
    I'd probably try it with crit inquisitor (doryani's catalyst or some high-ass crit weapon) to ignore enemy ele res. Or with pathfinder (got some ele penetration in ascendancy + in nearby passive tree) + ele weakness on blasphemy and whatnot.
    Anyway, it can be either done by scaling phys base (remember - no "melee damage" modifiers apply to secondary effects!), or just by stacking tons of ele damage.

    ...Actually! You could simply grab a high lightning damage roll + crit ele foil, stack lots of flat lightning damage on top of it (added lightning damage gem, wrath, herald of thunder, 1-3x static electricity jewels in ranger-shadow area), slap lightning penetration on top of it (gem and passives around ranger-shadow area) - and you're good to go!
    Due to how gem works, even "cold" projectiles and "fire" explosions will still do 95% of lightning damage this way, because your phys base will be insignificant.

    Whatever you choose, using ancestral warchief as single-target assist is a must. Probably in thunderfist or wyrmsign gloves for that pseudo-5L.
     
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  5. Jason Liang Magister

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    ugh why r they nerfing Orb of Storms:negative:
     
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  6. ArchAngel Arcane

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    There is no point in going Wild Strike in this case. Better to do Ele hit with melee splash (which is being boosted). Or some other skill like lacerate that will give you predictable and good AoE.
     
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  7. T. Reich Arcane

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    > Ele hit
    I see what you did there.

    > with melee splash (which is being boosted)
    I see you like double-dipping your jokes.

    Anyways, wild strike actually has quite a respectable aoe clearing capability, with 0 investment in aoe-related passives or supports, in fact. Mostly thanks to that insane number of chains on arc proc.

    Hell, I'm kinda nostalgic. Gonna find thal lvl19 WS i have somewhere in my stash and slap it on some entirely unoptimised char.
     
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  8. T. Reich Arcane

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    Ok, tested WS on a couple of t14 maps with my maxblock gladiator.
    Despite having suboptimal passives, only an effective 5L, and no way to reduce enemy ele res, WS cleared those maps competently fast, for a namelock skill. Tooltip dps was approx 60k pre-flasks, so a properly-made WS should have no difficulty breaching pre-flask 100k tooltip AND have som ele dmg reduction to boost it.
    Obviously, it's noticeably slower than any non-namelock aoe skill, but if I played it on a properly geared build, it would be quite good.
    Now, the single target vs bosses was ABYSMAL. Really, really bad. I had to hack at twinned shaped reef bosses for like a minute! :yawn:
     
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  9. lukaszek the determinator

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    deterministic system > RNG
     
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  10. T. Reich Arcane

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    My money is still on bladefall, until 2.6.0 stuff gets tested.
    That less dmg per wave is pretty insignificant, especially considering that those waves partially overlap, and then there's overlapping from cluster traps.
     
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  11. Grunker RPG Codex Ghost Patron

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    Codex 2012 Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
     
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  12. Zdzisiu Arcane

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    Yeah, lets see how Xbox deals with that.
     
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  13. lukaszek the determinator

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    deterministic system > RNG
     
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  14. SirSingAlot Savant

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    any suggestions for new league?
    looking for an easy to pilot build that runs smoothly on low end hardware
     
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  15. Zdzisiu Arcane

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    Pizza sticks? Dual flameblast totem as Inquisitor.

    If totems arent your game, you can try Self cast flameblast elementalist with ignite prolif.

    Or some standard Earthquake Slayer action.

    Or raider cyclone with meatballs (Nghamaku Axe).

    Or some burn arrow ignite action with new threshold jewel for double ignites on bosses.
     
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  16. lukaszek the determinator

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    deterministic system > RNG
     
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  17. Jason Liang Magister

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    Probably.

    I was looking at the 2.6 tree and the crit wheels are mostly conveniently located now if you aren't generating charges enough, and you could also run an Ice Golem for a +30% crit chance bonus.

    Not sure what build for me until i can actually test how the AoE changes affect some skills like Storm Call.

    Since I'm sc now I guess I'll try elementalist witch instead of occultist.

    Ignite is good? I never tried to build around it.
     
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  18. Zdzisiu Arcane

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    Yeah, ignite is quite good. Double dips with fire damage, elemental damage, generic damage and projectile damage in case of projectiles. Thats why dual flameblast crit Inquisitor is so popular right now. Ignite is 20% of initial hit, and can only have one doing damage to a mob at a time. Emberwake increases the limit to 300 ignites.

    I will be trying Elementalist Fireball non-crit ignite build myself at the start.
     
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  19. SirSingAlot Savant

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    guess its Pizza Sticks or some phys Bow thingy for me
     
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  20. Perkel Arcane

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    Slowdowns like that are caused by too many draw calls. Something that consoles exceed pc until you use Vulcan or DX12.
    So i wouldn't be shocked if consoles would run better in this type of situations...
     
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  21. Hyperion Magister

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    I planned on an Avatar of Fire Ice Crash Chieftain, but have a feeling Ngamahu's Flame will end up a too pricey to start because every time a streamer touches an item it spikes the fucking cost. When doing Act 1, I got a decent Boarding and noticed the buffs to 1h weapons are pretty beefy and decided I might try DW Cleave Berserker instead. Generic as can be, but adding crit to the mix should keep the damage competitive. I doubt it'll reach the same offensive potential as a 2h build, but it's worth trying. Cleave has long been my favorite attack, but has been shit since like 1.2.
     
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  22. Jason Liang Magister

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    I guess I'm doing Scion ES/ BF/ CWC/ something Lightning first, and if that sucks then I'll do witch elementalist or witch summoner.

    Not sure which is the best path out of scion island with the new tree. I'm thinking it's the one between templar and witch, but witch/ shadow is closer to more ES wheels.
     
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  23. Aothan Magister

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    Deidbellow, my preferred helm has been changed, yet again, and presently costs at least 10 Chaos orbs. Very costly for an early level helm but the bonuses to movement, melee and casting speeds have always been integral to my playstyle. Always seemed like an underappreciated helm for all of the combined properties but now with an additional flat bonus damage it may or still may not become popular as, at least, an early levelling item

    I'm a little surprised at how much mana is placed around Mind over Matter which will be useful but this time I intend to take Determination and Artic Armour so the extra mana after aura costs will be useful. Staffs look better than ever but I'm too much of a weapon and shield advocate in this game, perhaps if I keep playing in this league I might transition to or make a staff based character

    edit: 15% movement speed on Wake of Destruction boots
     
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  24. lukaszek the determinator

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    deterministic system > RNG
     
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  25. Aothan Magister

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    I don't typically watch Ziggy videos but he did make a video about interacting with and changing market values, speaking of which some (or someone) have been trying to low ball silver coins all day, it is also strange that the PoE goods index is not updating regularly enough to curtail this practise. And the more I think about it, the more someone connected with that site could strongly influence prices and trading by having first access to anything that might be listed (or not being listed). This is partly speculation but I've been watching silver coins for hours and have noted my own trades did not list at all, and seemingly no one else has been able to list after two or more people placed them at 18 or more for each Chaos where earlier there was a much larger range below this ratio
     
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