Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

Fair enough. But I'd delay the Paladin levels till I got the most important stuff from the other classes.

 

So, considering the high enemy encounter rate and all the reasons to not rest often, is a full caster even worth it? I'm rolling with an Enchanter and I'm pretty much just loading up on wands, spells are way too valuable.

 

My Necromancer does well in my run. For some combats I just pew pew with a cantrip and let the fighters deal with stuff but when times comes to shine my character can do stuff others cannot.
Also game does not have a full sorcerer, wizard or druid companion so it is useful to be one of those.

 

Depends on the caster type. My druid so far has been a walking barkskin dispenser, while Ms. Piggy does all the work. With a serpentine sorceress on the other hand (and currently with Tristian multiclassed as one) even low level enchantments were very useful, because of the bloodline ability. If you get lots of undead later on in the game(?), then the undead bloodline would be very useful too.

edit: For the same reason I could see a feyspeaker/serpentine sorcerer working, because spell dc is based on your casting stat and not caster level. And if they ever fix the "no armor" cleric, one of these mutliclassed with an empyreal sorcerer.

 

Pure caster can solo endgame encounters.

Honestly after level 5 you already dominate and after levels 9-12 Wizard is unstoppable.

The way level progression goes in this game (i.e. every build should be theorycrafted to about level 15, that's when you have to be strongest) there are no companions that gain Arcane spells as fast as Wizard, and noone hits power thresholds as good as pure Wizard. Even Octavia with her pretty good build for a companion always feels like she is lagging behind a pure Wizard, and even with low amount of scrolls Wizard still plays better than a Sorc because every level gained is more important. You can probably screw around even more by running a party of 5 characters with XP sharing off to push yourself just a little bit over the edge and gain level 8 and even level 9 spells faster.

And if they ever also fill all the gaps in scrolls, pure Wizard would go from great to faceroll everything. They'd have to add some counters like enemy casters, counter spells and protection spells because single Prismatic Spray is already enough to break enemy encounters now. And Wizard + Octavia / Wizard merc is just too much, bosses boil like potatoes to twin Hellfire Rays etc. They tried to stack on many enemies a lot of Spell Resistance but you can still overcome it reliably enough (and some spells just ignore it).

 

Are they really that limited? I like my archmages pokemon style: gotta have 'em all; a wizard with limited spell selection just doesn't feel like one. And I even found a nice necromancer portrait.

 

Overlaps? Unless you dual-wield, then slashing grace should be off.

 

Agile Rapier should be finessable. Not sure about stacking these two for 2x damage, though...

 

Why are there patches released twice a week for this game? Is it still that buggy?

 

Yes, the game likes throwing those at you. The sidekick of the boss of the first chapter uses one and immediately at the start of Chapter 2 you can buy a +2 version.

 

Learn level 1-3 scrolls
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buy 9 level and learn 9 level scrolls.

exceptions exist but this is how it goes more or less.

 

And Int to AC (they have the potential to be best tanks). And the Critical feats. And the initiative.

 

In ToEE when I had two wizards I would pick completely different spells, then scribe scrolls and exchange them between them. But this game does not have even that. We could do this trick with Octavia.

 

That doesn't stop him from being a top AC character - if you decide to build him this way. Sure, it costs a lot.

 

All it would take is adding one arcane merchant to your barony. Less blood, more merchants dlc!

 

Who knows, we might get one by the time game releases.

 

I think it's rather less then that. If you pick Draconic Bloodline +4 max I think, if they follow Pathfinder rules. And at level 15 at that, which is apparently almost end-game territory. Before that its a measly +2.
I think it may be even capped at +3 in Kingmaker. A Sword Saint gets way more (like +6-9, depending on Int score).

And you keep ignoring the critical and initiative abilities, which seem pretty cool also.

 

Well there is that Irlene Artisan but you know them bugged lazy shits

 

I think vanilla magus is better than scion or saint, at least when it comes to spells. Vanilla magus has spell recall.

 

There are a whole bunch of rapiers (as mentioned), a few daggers, at least 2 dueling swords (one of which is the best endgame Agile weapon as far as I've seen), and at least 1 (but probably more) estoc that are Agile. The earliest Agile weapon you'll be able to find is the light pick at Old Sycamore.

 

Agile weapon is not really a necessity, unlike in the P&P, Slashing & Fencing Grace work for a magus here.

 

There are really good scimitars, so Slashing Grace (Scimitar) is definitely strong for a Magus. However, there are enough good Agile weapons (mostly rapiers, but also that awesome endgame dueling sword) that this probably equally viable.

 

I am in chap IV, at lvl12. I have a conjurer as main char plus Octavia. Tbqh it feels like Octavia is pretty much enough, and probably earlier I would have suffered less if instead of Octavia (or my main char) had Black Man Archer.
Magic is usefull, but that's it. Just useful, not central like in BG2.
I am keeping Octavia mostly for the trickery atm.

I have no idea if things change later on, but I suspect they won't.

 

Depends on the magus. If you're playing a sword saint you need fencing/slashing grace at level 1 or else you'll be gimped for nearly the whole first chapter.

If you're playing a normal magus or an eldritch scion, there is no good answer because you'll have moments where you feel like an idiot either way. I took fencing grace for estoc (not a great idea since there aren't that many of them) and I kick myself every time I find an agile weapon. On the other hand, if I hadn't taken fencing grace, I'd be kicking myself every time I found a cool non-agile rapier or estoc or scimitar. FOMO is inexorable.