Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker Builds and Strats Thread

Greater Mutagen is Vivisectionist level 12. So not very near...

But you can get Feral Mutagen at vivi 2 for extra bite attack (at -5 AB).

 

What you get > Some Vivi > Standard Fighter all focus and feats on Kukris is how I went for that green chopping machine

 

Couple of objections.
Take him as he is - yes, do so, only make sure that he's got lvl 8 knifemaster for uncanny dodge.
Go int for vivi spellcasting - I disagree. Pump dex as far as you can and give nok-nok a +int item. He's never going to be much of a mage anyway, so a +4 or even +2 int item will be entirely sufficient for buffs.
Also, no need for feral mutagen - that would deprive you of your most potent offensive capability - kukri crits. Pick preserve organs instead for maximum survivability. Or combat trick. Go naked + bracers.

 

How would Feral Bite deprive you from kukuri crits?

 

Cause you attack with claws/fangs whatever instead of equipped weapon?

 

Uhm, you just get 1 more attack

 

Wait, what? it explicitly says your hangs are transformed into freaking claws, no?

 

Yeah, but you can use them to wield normal weapons as usual. The Bite is a bonus.

 

You assumed that anyone with this feat is unable to use weapons?
It'd be useless feat then.

 

But why would any normal person assume otherwise? it gives you freaking claws! claws! :loses it, breaks down in tearful laughter:
Still, I got my bite attack from Dragon Disciple but I guess it would be good to have it on Nokie then.

 

Because having a feat that actually harms 99% of builds is rather questionable, to say it smoothly?

 

I thought it was for wanna-be druids and their like. Or for a nature-worshiping monk of somesort. If it works the way you say it does, then it's overpowered.

 

For a sword saint with a level of monk shortswords blow. Daggers are insane tho. lighting duelist seems like its stupidly good.

 

There is a very good +5 shortsword in the link, though. I have no idea where it is in the game, though...

 

Web + Freedom of Movement is cheese? cause it feels like.

 

Best thing about the lighting duelist is you can get it as early as in chapter 2 if you manage to kill (via an amulet, most probably) that pompous Pitax dude who's fighting the trolls.

 

No. Standard DnD tactic. One cancels out the other, so it is a legit tactic. The guy on the receiving end of that combo should have brought his own wizard.

 

I understand but I still feel dirty for using it.

 

Could be worse. Could be Minsc bearing down on the bad guy wielding his +2 Greatsword of permanent Free Action yelling about hamsters and butt kicking for Goodness.

 

Important question - is bite ....finesseable?

 

Feral Mutagen is trash.

To answer your question, you can't Finesse natural attacks unless you use an Agile Amulet of Mighty Fists.

 

There is also an awesome +3 Agile Kama you can get from an artisan that has a chance to blind every hit.

 

I'm thinking about going a 3 knife master/ 17 vivisectionist and cutting up stuff with multiple kukris but then I realized I might be losing a point of BAB with this allocation. Are there enough agile weapons out there for me to go full vivi or is there anything good to get from a 4th level of rogue?

 

...which you find very early.