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KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by MicoSelva, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. flabbyjack Arcane

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    I'm guessing summon spam build or a high AC build.
     
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  2. Fenix Cipher Vatnik

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    Did you do cleaning? I mean, I heard that the reason for load times is all the items you left on various locations. So if you return and like gather them all, your load time will return to normal.
    I just saw recently how guy who played solo experienced crashes further in the game, maybe because of that dunno.
     
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  3. Emmanuel2 Learned

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    Monster Tactician (probably the only pure summoning archetype) won't likely be able to survive anything past Act 1 on Unfair since summons are so shit without something to back them up (CC/Lockdown, buffs). Summons will get destroyed by 50-70 something hits too.

    AC builds will most likely be fishing for crits. Monsters can crit too and it's basically a race towards who kills who with crits first only that the enemy has a x2 damage modifier due to Unfair, access to spells, more attacks per round and is more than one.

    Particularly long explanation on why I chose a Feyspeaker druid for Unfair solo, so I spoilered it.

    If you're gunning for solo on the lower difficulties, I heard monk and sylvan sorc is pretty good.

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    For soloing unfair past chapter 1 you'll need:
    1. An answer for everything skill wise. Strength/Dex checks, trickery, persuasion, arcana, magic device (for out of school scrolls/wands), perception, etc.
    2. An answer to everything combat wise. Dealing with physical hitters, trash encounters, area lockdown or CC in general, stat drains/damage, swarms, AoE damage.
    3. To solve weight issues since you're just one member.
    4. A way for taking the least amount of time per rest because Time issues.
    5. To be able to survive surprise rounds, huge hits (sneak attack/crits) and spells along with fast movement speed without expending spell slots.

    A spell caster druid answers everything.

    1. Strength and Athletics checks are answered by your Mastodon/Animal Companion when available. Everything else you can comfortably stack up. There are very few feats that actually help a spellcaster druid, so you can afford to get skill related feats and spell focus feats.
    2. Physical Hitters are dealt with by making your animal companion buff up, trash encounters are solved by low level spells with the animal companion, alot of CC (Sirocco, spike stones, entangle, cave fangs, etc.), Stat drains/damage (sirocco, plague cloud, creeping swarm) and AoE damage.
    3. My Mastodon boosts my carry limit to 2500+ which is more than enough.
    4. Druid have every cure wounds tier including Heal itself making you not spend a ton of time just healing.
    5. A Druid with Huge Elemental wild shape has DR10/-, +natural AC, +6 to a few stats, immune to sneak attacks and crits, and a lot of movement bonus when using Fire/Wind. For the surviving elements part, the druid has access to both Resist Energy and Protection from Energy spells along with Stoneskin.

    With the Feyspeaker archetype, you have more answers to everything. Heroism, invisibility, Crushing Despair (Will negate, -2 to all saving throws, huge monsters likely don't have huge WIS), mirror image, displacement, etc. at the cost of having wilshape later but the only wildshapes that matter are the Elemental ones.

    You will have access to Haste, Mage Armor, Shield, wands, etc. due to Magic Device too. Feyspeaker uses Charisma so they have a boost in this skill.

    You can clear up Tutorial + Olegs on unfair with a specific druid setup along with making everyone in your initial party (after tutorial basically) have a mastodon for the Oleg's fight. But why would you torture yourself for like 2% of the game, a druid with a good stat spread using a Mastodon can comfortably go clearing Challenging at the start, then hard then soloing unfair for the rest of the game before even the whole kobolds/mytes quest.

    I can't say for certain if it will hold up until the very end on Unfair, and hearing about the tomb makes me think. But we'll see, everything up till now (Mid chapter 3) is pretty fine.


    I'll try using the cleaner mod and see, thanks. Throne room in particular is the longest for me but since you mentioned items, it could possibly be because of the stash there.
     
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  4. Thonius Arbiter

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    Yeah great, janitor simulator and rpg 2 in 1.
     
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  5. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    A common problem with Unity, for some fucking reason, apparently. I saw some mod floating around that "cleaned" saves in order to make saves smaller and load-times faster, and I was hesitant to try it because saves rarely contain "junk data" out of principle and it wasn't explained what the thing actually *did*.

    But if all it does is clear out all the crap I left on maps everywhere, that'd be acceptable.
     
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  6. Funposter Learned

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    One of features it offers is allowing you to 'clear' items when you leave an area, so you can grab the items you actually want, and then simply wipe all of the 3g heavy shields lying around on the map. The Kobold/Mite cave is a big offender in this regard. Huge amounts of trash items that you won't reasonably be carrying around.
     
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  7. golgepapaz Augur

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    Sitting comfortably at 226 hours after Pitax, waiting for something to happen. I think I've visited every place available at the moment. In retrospect a third of this time spend waiting for bugs to resolve themselves, save game editing, running the game under debugger etc.
     
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  8. Shadenuat Arcane

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    The fact that they thought their game is 80 hours in the interview is hilarious and just shows they had no actual QA whatsoever.

    Same interview, very interesting how they point out twice that they made game for a very particular player group and it was only important to show what they have done to them and succeed, and they feel they were successful. So they did not even try to make it friendly for people who don't like RPGs I take it.
     
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  9. RegionalHobo Educated

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    talk about a difficulty spike in the last chapter lol.

    heard you like your AC, how about i make your enemies spam touch attacks and magic missile only?

    heard you like your chance to hit, how about i make ghosts immune to everything except sirocco?

    heard you like your ranger, how about making his respawn in the house bug if your dog is dead?

    pitax loading screens and the last chapter '' balance '' really took a toll. In the end the game was a great experience but it's so obvious this had absolute zero QA. Something went terrible wrong, there 's just no way those enemies, amount of bugs and loot position in the last chapter had any testing. the way you find loot really screams desperate measures, at the very least they did a part of the ending of the game with it released.

    can someone please tell me if ekun was supposed to respawn in the house at the edge in that door in the corridor where there s stairs going down and the door where amiri is?
     
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  10. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Don't even try going into Chapter 6 or 7 for now.

    Just don't. Pitax is polished candyland in comparison.

    You might finish the game but I doubt you would have fun. Especially if you're Good and is set on a path for waifu ending. Although for Evils there is a share of game breaking bugs too.
     
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  11. Parabalus Arcane

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    Wait, what are the chapter cutoffs?

    I'm in Nyrissa's dream atm, when I get out I get hit by Wild Hunt. That still safe to play, and going into Pitax capital as well, afterwards?

    Did any of you get a treasurer waiting for you event when you got rank 10 economy?
     
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  12. Jasede Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I just want to say, Darth Roxxor is a fucking retard for missing out on this game. This is honest to God the best western RPG in perhaps a decade for those who liked BG and RoA. I'm not even exaggerating.

    Also, I have 100k gold. I buy every item that looks nice but I haven't sunk any into BP because I'm terrified that the very next merchant I find will sell something awesome... I missed that feeling. Honestly though, I think you're meant to buy BP with it like you would in pen and paper where you fund your inevitable stronghold with murderhobo things.
     
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  13. Parabalus Arcane

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    You won't get anything from merchants until the items cost 200-300k, spend it all on BP.
     
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  14. RegionalHobo Educated

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    after this you'll get a long time to develop your kingdom and it s the last part you should play.

    trust me on this one it s not worth it. when the new chapter screen start stop
     
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  15. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Entering Portal in the Castle of Knives is a point of no return.
     
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  16. Thonius Arbiter

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    I recently cleared Armag tomb and some hidden loot is raising some serious questions. Stash with 5 breastplates and 3 spears under the rock? Yes please, in fact it's present on multiple maps.
     
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  17. Parabalus Arcane

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    For chapter 6, right? Then you have a WHOLE chapter 7 waiting for you?

    Jesus christ the game is huge.
     
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  18. Shadenuat Arcane

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    It makes a lot of sense to wait after what happened to BT4. Game breaking bugs ruining your fun is not fun.
     
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  19. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Pitax is Chapter V. House at the Edge of Time (Portal) is Chapter VI.
    Chapter VII is "optional".
    It all goes like in pnp module, just with an extra chapter on top of it.
     
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  20. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    So you're saying they didn't make the game for paidrones? Color be shocked. Shocked I tell you.
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    Not that shocked.


    It's funny how popular the game is anyway, though, despite people bitching about it. I think it shows two things:
    • A lot of people simply haven't had the opportunity in their lifetimes to actually play good games, and so do not know what constitutes a good game until they actually get to play it.
    • What people think or say they want is rarely the same thing as what they actually want or need, and Owlcat is being stupid in listening to people that say they want it easier or have "QOL" "improvements" (such as the get-out-of-jail-free card of Atonement Scrolls).
    There's a primal appeal in solving frustrating scenarios and dealing with issues that most modernist games simply do not offer, and it's part of why platform games are still so popular today, even when they boot you all the way back to the beginning when you miss a jump. Most people don't actually want to "just be told a story". Most people want to succeed in the face of adversity and actually earn the right to say that they played on Hard or whatever.

    Lowest-common-denominator develolment always result in sub-par gameplay and narratives that ultimately do not appeal to anyone in any enduring fashion. At least niched products can claim that they are cult classics, and even Tides of Numenera can at least claim to have had an impact Fallout 4 will never tout, in time. And Numenera was a fucking wreck.
     
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  21. Jasede Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    That's fair but you can spend hundreds of hours without being anywhere near the end game.
     
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  22. Parabalus Arcane

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    The game deserves a review based on the first few Chapters, which are fine by now. I played on 11-13c-14 versions and had only a few minor bugs.
     
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  23. vazha Savant

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    Knight of the Sacred Savescum Order prestige class I believe. On earlier levels unfair i nigh impossible.
     
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  24. Elex Scholar

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    game deserve a review after all the dlc and patch.
     
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  25. ArchAngel Arcane

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    I got more than 200h in the game and furthest I got was start of Act 4 :D
    I keep starting over with new characters and groups and I even got my kid to make two different characters and play the prologue twice :D
     
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