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KickStarter Pathfinder: Kingmaker - RTwP incline from Owlcat Games (more like Patchfinder: Glitchmaker amirite?)

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by MicoSelva, Sep 25, 2018.

  1. hell bovine Arcane

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    And that will be the hotfix to break all the other hotkeys.
     
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  2. Parabalus Arcane

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    For all the shit PoE1&2 rightfully get they at least got the tutorial part right.
     
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  3. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Not really, going through Candlekeep is talk Gorion > begin game. Yeah you miss some xp (simple mod fixes this) but it's not Irenicus Dungeon Be Gone.

    The thing is, most people will figure out how to move their characters and how to select > left click.

    That is not what tutorials arguably should teach you in combat games. They should teach you to play effectively and set correct expectations game have for you. For D&D it should be: hey, there are some stronk dudes there. Here, have these rations. Now memorize this Sleep spell. Now rest - by the way, you can hunt for rations too. Now try casting this +1 attack spell on your dude. Now cast sleep/daze on that goblin. Now attak. Well done.

    You should set player into correct mind set and make him go through motions which make effective play.

    If you never introduce players to effective play they will continue killing themselves over and over like idiots.

    (Granted they can ignore everything and still do but at least at that point, you can say that you tried.)
     
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  4. Chippy Educated

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    While I appreciate that there are some dolphin fingered, one-armed, radiation infected mutants with less than 8 fingers and x2 thumbs who might want to play an RPG with only one hand, or wankers ambidextrous game journalists in general who need their off-hand for their job...
    ...it still amazes me that people are asking for 1 handed gameplay to be made a feature or priority.
     
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  5. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    "Is this game midget-compliant?"
     
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  6. rusty_shackleford Savant

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    For all the shit PoE1&2 rightfully get at least they are finished games.
     
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  7. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Which is pretty impressive, considering, y'know.
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    Obsidian.
     
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  8. Shadenuat Arcane

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    Who cares if they are finished games if they are popamole boring shit games.
     
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  9. Generic-Giant-Spider Scholar

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    Kingmaker isn't a finished game, but it is a game you actually want to finish.
     
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  10. DeepOcean Arcane

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    Imagine two women, one is a hot blond russian that you had amazing sex with but sometimes she is a little strange because she is bipolar, outside some episodes of she thinking bugs are crawling over the roof and threatening to commit suicide with you waiting some periods of her treatment for her bug problem on the hospital, when she is functional, she is actually a great girlfriend.

    While you have the other woman, theoretically she is fine, she doesn't need psychiatric drugs with a certain frequency and bug therapy but she is an obese woman that doesn't shave and don't shower with frequency, you complained and complained with her but, every time, she says she knows the best and you are a sexist dickhead that doesn't know better and that she knows better how the relationship should work even if you are having zero fun at it.

    The first has something that is salvageable, the second, well... I prefer the crazy russian woman.
     
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  11. Generic-Giant-Spider Scholar

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    The second woman also advocates for gay sharkmen sex.
     
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  12. Andnjord Cipher

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    I agree, some things are not very well explained. For example, the game never told me that the spell BLADE BARRIER ROCKS HARD!!!!:shredder:
     
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  13. Lacrymas Arcane

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    The odds are rigged against the second woman from the start. She doesn't have any positive qualities outside of not being crazy and that's a low bar to set, some will even say that's a negative as well.
     
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  14. gestalt11 Learned

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    Well I hope they fix the Monster Tactician archetype sometime in the near future, since I want to play it and having 1/3 of its summons broken makes it pretty unplayable.
     
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  15. Elex Scholar

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    so basically rpg like women have an hot/crazy scale.
    For RPG is a bugged/Incline scale.
     
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  16. Gregz Arcane

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    How are you guys successfully theorycrafting without knowing which exotic feats and abilities are bugged?

    Isn't it safer to use the story NPCs because they've been tested a bit?
     
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  17. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite Sawyerist Sawyer's Bride No Fun Allowed

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    Adding a tutorial would have resulted in an even more broken game though.

    With 6 books to adapt, they already had a ton of content to implement.
     
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  18. Yosharian Learned

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    The way I'm doing it is not playing the game til the patch comes out
     
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  19. Chippy Educated

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    I think so. It's also midget-compliment for game journalists and gamers who need one to sit on their lap to operate the keyboard while they perform low-iq tasks like dragging a box around their entire party, instead of pressing a button. Also, stealth, weapon slots, etc.
     
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  20. gestalt11 Learned

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    No most of the story NPCs are quite bugged and the classes they use are also bugged. For example Tristian is an ecclesithurge and the domain mechanic of being able to slot their primary domain into non-domain slots is bugged and does not work.

    This is quite singificant since a Domain like Fire gives you Fireball and a Fire primary ecclistheurge can double as an evocation blaster if it actually worked.

    Edit: you are making the mistake of thinking anything was tested. It was not this game was released before the closed beta was allowed to happen. Anyone who has ever participated in a real closed beta recognizes the scope and types of bug present as being what this is.

    The game was feature complete, meaning all feature (for the most part) were implemented but not playtested. An Alpha test is usually not feature complete, a Closed Beta is when that happens and is closed, basically, exactly because of the types of bugs you see here are not marketing friendly. Typically you do exactly what they are doing now in a closed beta but without the rushed out hot fixing, i.e. you proritize all the progression bugs/quest NPC bugs then work on the feats etc after about a month of progression fixes.

    However since they are doing rushed hot fixes they are breaking a lot more things than typically happen in a real closed beta.

    Basically things got release 3 months early so there was never a Closed Beta, but the game was in a pretty normal Closed Beta state.
     
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  21. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Tristian's Primary Domain is Good, not Fire, and it works fine for me.

    However, Tristian does not have a secondary domain at all. He has - as all Ecclesitheurges do - access to all the domain spells of his deity (Sarenrae: Fire, Glory, Good, Healing, Sun). But he flat-out doesn't have a secondary domain, meaning that he never gets a secondary domain power.

    But if he did, it would most likely be Healing.

    Edit: I am fucking wrong.
     
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  22. Jenkem Liturgist Patron

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    Make the Codex Great Again!
    :what:
     
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  23. gestalt11 Learned

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    Are you sure Good actually works? It can be highly confusing since domains like Good have spells that are normal cleric spells anyway and will in fact slot in non-domain as primary. I tested this with a theurge of Abadar with Protection primary and travel secondary and "Protection from Spells" would not slot in non-domain. Possibly this is due to being also in Travel? But I am pretty sure I tried stoneskin as well which did not work.

    Either way the main point is that things never really got tested and the best thing to do if you want to play is try out every build you consider via hacking the save file, find one that is not too bugged and do that for now. In some ways using mercenaries is actually less bugged because it can get around some bugs in the NPC quests.
     
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  24. Jenkem Liturgist Patron

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    want to fucking play this so fucking bad but said I'd wait for a patch but now I see all you fuckers in here playing it and it makes me want to play so is the game playable now? I feel like I could start now and stay ahead of the bugs but don't know if that is just wishful thinking/delusion caused by lack of i n c l i n e
     
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  25. Andnjord Cipher

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    Welp, into the tomb of Vordakai I go, lvl11, 24 camping supplies, 128 diamond dusts, playing on Hard.

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    Time to kill me some cyclop Lich!!!:timetoburn:

    I don't actually know for sure if it is one, but it just feels like it should be one
     
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