Pathfinder: Kingmaker sales and the single-player real-time-with-pause ceiling

[Pink Eye]

For me, after experiencing RTWP. I can't go back to TB anymore. RTWP is just so fun to play, and can be just as tactical as TB, thanks to the pause function.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Eating too much processed sweets during your childhood lead to hyper-activity.

And then TB incline is too much to stay focused on, you need them pixels to move at all times ...

 

[Nerevar]

That explains why starcraft is so popular in Korea. Gotta click click click and pan the screen around like a madman.

 

[Pink Eye]

>Gotta click click click and pan the screen around like a madman.
That's how I play Pathfinder. Click, click, click, click. Then I break my mouse from all of that clicking.

 

[rashiakas]

there are still retards who prefer rtwp? on my codex? I cant even...

 

[Lacrymas]

Sounds nightmarish. RTSes are fundamentally different than RPGs and the purely mechanical controlling of them is a celebrated feature. RPGs being real time with pause betrays a lack of understanding of the genre.

 

[NJClaw]

Seek help

Surrender accepted. Thanks for fucking up BG3, PnPers.

In order to fuck up BG3, you need BG first. And you have us to thank for that, too.

>Gotta click click click and pan the screen around like a madman.
That's how I play Pathfinder. Click, click, click, click. Then I break my mouse from all of that clicking.

Fucking monks with all their attacks per round, wouldn't a single big CLICK be better?

 

[Pink Eye]

Sounds nightmarish. RTSes are fundamentally different than RPGs and the purely mechanical controlling of them is a celebrated feature. RPGs being real time with pause betrays a lack of understanding of the genre.

It's really not. You keybind a lot of the stuff. There's actually not all of that much clicking, expect for issuing orders to your units. And using the pause function when things get too hectic. For move commands, you just open up the map and click once on the location you want your units to go to. Seriously, grab yourself a decently made martial build; then watch as they do work.

 

[AwesomeButton]

As someone with the not that notable 350 hours in Company of Heroes 2, 95% of which in online PvP, there is lots of clicking, lots of hotkeys, but also fast thinking and analysis in a tight timeframe. At least it's enough to play 2 35-45 min games and you are emotionally exhausted for the day.

 

[Pink Eye]

The funny thing is that these RPG RTWP games aren't really that micro intensive.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I have a feeling that RTwP fans are also a fan of ASSFAGGOTS games.

 

[Lacrymas]

Because they would be fiddly to control. I mean even more so.

 

[Nortar]

The funny thing is that these RPG RTWP games aren't really that micro intensive.

I always suspected that RTwP fans usually only control their MC, while letting the rest of the party to be run by AI scripts. Is it so?

 

[Pink Eye]

I don't know. But I can only speak for myself. On the hardest difficulty you need complete control over your team mates. The companions acting on their own will lead to mistakes, which will cause a party wipe or some such. In short you have to micromanage the whole party. It's really not that difficult. In pathfinder you can create strong builds that will nullify the difficulty. Really, the only micro is during the early game for unfair. When you have to pay full attention to everything that is going on. Once you reach mid game content, the game basically plays itself out.

The people who whine about the micromanagement are over blowing it.

Speaking of which, I can't imagine playing on the lower difficulties. Game would be too easy. Any decently made martial would run through everything, making the game mind numbingly simple. At least on Unfair you have to actually think and micro your team somewhat.

 

[Pink Eye]

Because they would be fiddly to control. I mean even more so.

I don't agree. Make a decent monk, I have a guide for that here. Then play on a low difficulty. Then watch as your monk one shots everything that breathes. It's really that easy. Hell, any decent martial build will plow through the game on normal and challenging. Select all ---> Target enemy ---> Kill enemy. That's basically the "intensive micro" that you're talking about. On unfair, thanks to the inflated stats, enemies pose an actual challenge and a threat to you. You have to think and play smart. I refuse to believe that the game below Unfair requires any form of micro or thought in order for you to be successful.

 

[Lacrymas]

I don't want the game to play itself, neither do I want an RTS in my RPG. RTwP is always one extreme or the other but with pause to make it weirder. You seem to misunderstand the complaints against RTwP.

 

[Pink Eye]

>You seem to misunderstand the complaints against RTwP.
No. I just don't care for them. You're preaching for stuff that will ruin the genre for me.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

have you considered just watching videos of other people playing video games since you don't seem to actually enjoy playing them?

 

[Pink Eye]

have you considered just watching videos of other people playing video games since you don't seem to actually enjoy playing them?

In what manner are you eluding to here? I think I enjoy playing Kingmaker. Got 2k hours in it so far. Might blow it to 3k hours at the rate I am going. I play exclusively on unfair. Hell, I dare say I got my moneys worth with that difficulity. I like the game. If I didn't, I wouldn't be here talking about it, or being excited for the sequel. Speaking of which, I sure do hope we get a SCS mod for kingmaker in the future. SCS mod + Unfair = happy times.

 

[Lacrymas]

>You seem to misunderstand the complaints against RTwP.
No. I just don't care for them. You're preaching for stuff that will ruin the genre for me.

You do realize that's like saying "I get the criticisms against eating shit, but I just don't care for them."

Yeah, ok, but don't try to sell other people on how putting some powdered sugar on top brings out the delicacy and richness of smell.

 

[Pink Eye]

>You seem to misunderstand the complaints against RTwP.
No. I just don't care for them. You're preaching for stuff that will ruin the genre for me.

You do realize that's like saying "I get the criticisms against eating shit, but I just don't care for them."

Yeah, ok, but don't try to sell other people on how putting some powdered sugar on top brings out the delicacy and richness of smell.

Other way around. It's more like you barging into a fine establishment. And yelling at people to stop enjoying their gourmet meals. RTwP is a fine damn meal. And you're the one making it hard for the rest of us to enjoy our meal in peace.

 

[Lacrymas]

That's only if you consider a country outhouse as "a fine establishment" and an especially viscous diarrhea as "gourmet".

 

[Pink Eye]

That's only if you consider a country outhouse as "a fine establishment" and an especially viscous diarrhea as "gourmet".

Yeah you're right. DOS 3 is most assuredly a diarrhea dish best served in the trash. You ought to play Kingmaker instead.

 

[Desiderius]

In order to fuck up BG3, you need BG first. And you have us to thank for that, too.

Amen, brother. Love me some PnPers. I mean, other than the smell. Just wish y'all'd quit swinging your micropeens around and fucking up my cRPGs.

I play TB too (almost all autopauses set), I just use this tool to let the turns happen at the same time. No fast clicking, no lightning reflexes, just another order of magnitude in decision complexity.

No more complicated than that.

 

[Desiderius]

That's only if you consider a country outhouse as "a fine establishment" and an especially viscous diarrhea as "gourmet".

Yeah you're right. DOS 3 is most assuredly a diarrhea dish best served in the trash. You ought to play Kingmaker instead.

I'll be playin both and looking forward to the RTwP patch for BG3. Once WotR breaks sales records, they'll fall in line.