Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - alpha coming late April

The tiers system has nothing to do with Ineffect. It's around since 2013, Ineffect wasn't even born yet.

 

I am not talking about that tier system. I am talking about tiers in general. This idea that certain classes are weaker than others. The metric in which people use to rank them, and so on.

 

Certain classes are weaker than others though. Even if a class excels at one area, there are probably classes that excel in that area and are more versatile to boot.

The tier system is extremely useful for GMs, as you can use it to assist you in balancing encounters. Obviously for CRPGs it is slightly less relevant as the situations are much more limited.

 

Damn that Chinese virus and their communists. I hope it's not the end of world.

 

>Last update
>March 12, 2020
Don't let this be the last update! No! This is my most anticipated game of the decade!

 

Yes and no. Obv Sword Saint is overloaded, base Alchemist is strictly worse than Grenadier if you know how to cast Delay Poison, and Eldritch Archer was unfortunately completely mailed in.

Other than that Owlcat did an extraordinary job giving almost every class a way to excel if you work at it.

NJClaw's (and InEffect's) tier system is about how good a class is solo, but that's just a different game. P:K is at it's heart about group synergies.

 

I will never understand why Eldritch Archer is its own subclass, instead of being part of the base class.

 

That is fun, but not exactly the point. I test out purportedly lower tier classes to try to grok how the designer intended them to be played and have uncovered some hidden gems (Like Feyspeaker Val w/ Smilodon pet Touch Attack Image tank).

 

It's not. You can't even cast Hurricane Bow. Complete copypasta.

 

The way you talk about the tier system makes me think you have never seen a single PnP Pathfinder session.
The tier system I posted has nothing to do with Kingmaker, it's about PnP classes' versatility. And it's not "mine", I wish I was JaronK, I would get laid so much more.

That tier system doesn't say that a certain class is "stronger" than another in combat, that's not the point. It doesn't care about which class gives which bonus.

And, while I obviously respect and love Owlcat for the amazing game they gave us, they had nothing to do with the Pathfinder-related content that's in the game. Every class has ways to excel because Paizo designed them, not Owlcat.

 

>makes me think you have never seen a single PnP Pathfinder session.
It was flattering to assume that some of us even play pnp. I myself never played a pnp session.

 

Pretty evident from your posts on this subject.

 

Yeah. But I never said I was speaking on pnp. My point of view was always from the video game.

 

Okay, but you intervened with:

while we were talking about PnP class tiers, what's the point?

It's like stopping two people that are talking about chess rules with a "Eh, football rules are quite stupid".

 

Then why comment on a tier system/list made for PnP? Lol.

 

Because this is a thread about Wrath, an upcoming video game? Asking me why I am commenting on this thread, is like asking me why I post in /pfg/. Because I like talking about Pathfinder. Although, I do agree. I shouldn't have said anything on this particular subject. In my defense though, I did mistakenly think we were talking about Kingmaker.

 

You people are getting needlessly upset.

 

Owlcat! You better not die on me! Who is going to make the best cRPG if we lose you?!

 

Hm, I can't tell when people get upset. I, however, can tell when I get upset though. I am not upset. I am just having fun posting about Pathfinder.

 

Don't worry,russian are immune to it. Now,you on other hand...

 

Monks are immune to disease men. And barbarians get damage reduction.

 

Ahhh the problem is that in real life you two are neither of those things. It is not good to confuse games with real life mate.

 

It's okay.

 

As a rule of thumb, I always assume that nobody I am talking to on the internet is upset. Otherwise, I would only be capable of posting "no sorry sorry sorry I didn't want to upset you please forgive me".