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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - now in ALPHA

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Xamenos Learned Patron

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    The adventure starts in a city, yes.
     
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  2. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Most music in games is made with samples (sometimes from actual orchestras) in programs like Sibelius or Cubase. If the samples are good enough, it's pretty hard for a layman to tell the difference either way, especially with how simple this kind of music usually is, so I'd say it's just a marketing trick. It depends on the orchestration, really, if it's masterful it's more difficult to mask samples in Cubase.
     
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  3. Efe Arbiter

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    i hate symphonic orchestra. that vile thing has no place in an rpg
     
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  4. ga♥ Liturgist

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    Nice to know. Kingmaker had no city hub. And honestly I never felt the lack of it (even if I thought I would). But a real city full of quests could be nice?
     
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  5. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    RPGCodex. Where every day you learn something new.
     
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  6. Xamenos Learned Patron

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    I wouldn't get my hopes up, it's pretty unlikely to rival, say, Athkatla.
     
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  7. Lacrymas Arcane

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    Тhe ironic part is that it depends very much on the orchestra whether it or samples are going to sound better. If the orchestra are playing sloppily because it's not something they want to play, samples will sound better lol. The point of using an orchestra is first for tone quality and second for interpretation. These musics don't really benefit from interpretation because there's nothing there to interpret, it's pretty straightforward all the way through. As for tone quality, there's a study that shows 60ish% of people with "low sound-discrimination expertise" (it's not a good study tbh) can tell the difference between well-prepared samples of high quality and an orchestra. However, that group includes musicians who are not composers/conductors/orchestra players and non-musicians, so it's on shaky grounds. The piece is also Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, a very richly orchestrated masterpiece and includes techniques which are notoriously hard to sample and make sound good/not artificial.
     
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  8. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    Well, I can tell you that. In Soviet Union classic music, musical education and all stuff symphonic were actively promoted by the state. They were well financed, and the jobs of musicians were considered prestigious. The government thought of it as of the Soviet ideological response to Western degenerative jazz, rock'n'roll and other genres. Song writers stole Western motives for sure, but the classic music stood strong.

    If during 30 years after USSR those schools, techniques and traditions are at least somehow preserved, then Owlcat can find really good orchestra, especially in Moscow.
     
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  9. luj1 You're all shills

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    Bruh that's nothing... FYI Soyer had the pirate-themed feat stretch goal (yes, a single feat)
     
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  10. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Aktshually, it starts with you basically waking up in a cave that you spend half the first chapter getting out of. In the AP technically your characters are in a city for a celebration, but that doesn't happen "on-screen" in the AP the way it's written.

    Given how much Owlcat changed Kingmaker's intro, though - that AP starts with you arriving at Oleg's, IIRC - I expect you'll have time in Kenabres before the shit goes down.
     
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  11. Xamenos Learned Patron

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    You are correct on both accounts, of course. The Kingmaker AP starts the players right outside Oleg's with a letter from the Swordlors establishing their mission. Everything in the intro was made by Owlcat, and I'm sure they'll do something similar here.
     
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  12. frajaq Arbiter

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    agreed, I prefer my RPG adventures hearing the finest Synthwave out there, personally
     
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  13. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Tbh they are
     
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  14. Sarkile Augur Patron

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    The intro to Kingmaker was pure incline compared to the AP, and a decent enough tutorial on top of that. I'm sure they'll do something quality for this game.
     
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  15. sorinmask Just like Yves, I chase tales. Patron

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    Except maybe monk.

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    This comment would have, probably, been much better received if Pink Eye wouldn't've nagged everyone, right?
     
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  16. Yosharian Cipher

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    I like to mix up using the combat layer (i.e. the 'rules') and from time to time just having 'Let's Pretend' moments. It can speed up the game. Broadly speaking, I agree that the combat layer should be used for meaningful fights.

    As an example, if the group is sneaking and comes across a lone guard, I might allow them to have a 'let's pretend' moment as you say it. I might not necessarily break out initiative for every single fight, is what I'm saying.
     
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  17. aweigh Arcane

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    Sounds absolutely horrible.

    Pure incline. City hubs are a way for devs to skimp out on making good gameplay. Look at PoE 2, virtually bereft of content because they put all of their resources on the crutch that is Neketaka.
     
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  18. Delterius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Big city = no gameplay.

    The things I learn.
     
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  19. Ruchy Learned

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    I'm assuming the codex will be collectively voting Rat Folk? I mean this place is a Den of villainous Rat Bastards after all.
     
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  20. Yosharian Cipher

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    Ratfolk is the clear option but no way the furries lose
     
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  21. Ismaul Citizen First Class #3333 Patron

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    It might seem like a clever plan, until Owlcat tailors their next games to the furry whales with social media accounts who shilled the most to get their fetish inserted in said game.

    Once you let the cancer in, you can't get rid of it until you cut it out.
     
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    There are levels of indignity, man.

    And play is not shameful or indignified, rather it is natural.
     
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  23. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    I am voting Kitsune no matter what.

    Also, "furry whales" sound nice, but impractical.
     
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  24. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Spellforce 3 did had a really fucking amazing music!
    Suck music really makes my dick hard! Do hope that kingmaker gets some epic shit for the bosses.
     
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  25. Ontopoly Scholar Village Idiot Trigger Warning Shitposter

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    How did the game end up being? I never got around to playing it.
     
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