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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Owlcat's next Pathfinder RPG - now in ALPHA

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by purpleblob, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. conan_edw Savant Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    is this turning into a feature creep?
     
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  2. Anonona Educated

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    I hope not, so far the game is looking quite promising, but it does worry me that they are trying to cramp too much. Worse case scenario, I could see them adding some of this stuff as (hopefully free) DLCs later. I just wish for them to refine the AI and the combat encounters, as well as releasing the game as stable as possible and add as many missing feats and classes as they can, the rest is nice but really for me those are the most important issues.
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    Not gonna lie though, it does sound awesome to lead your forces against the hordes of evil.
     
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  3. frajaq Arbiter

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    if they didnt have the previous Kingmaker to build upon I would say so yeah
     
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  4. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    All the content for Kingmaker was designed on paper in the adventure path. The problem was having the time/money to implement all of it in a polished way. They clearly didn't for the last few chapters, no one would. Reducing the scope is necessary to make sure the entire game is high quality, they can't just "make it good."
     
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  5. Efe Arbiter

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    what is missing from later chapters roguey?
     
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  6. ga♥ Liturgist

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    Roguey the last chapter is not in the AP.
     
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  7. rusty_shackleford Arcane

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    at release?
    nearly everything, it was being patched in after it released
     
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  8. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    Ah right, they ended up addressing an oversight in the main campaign. And botched it. :M
     
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  9. InD_ImaginE Magister Patron

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    Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    But that's more a problem from their resource which might not be enough when first making the game. Given more resource shouldn't they be able to improve upon the implementation (and expansion in case of the final dungeon)?
     
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  10. Xor Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Codex 2014 PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Reactivity is expensive, and they're obviously being more ambitious about C&C and dialog for whatever specific race/class combination you end up making. Things will be spread across multiple story branches rather than accessible to everyone all the time. Kingmaker was long enough that it could have been cut in half and still been a really fucking huge game so I'm not really worried about there not being enough stuff to do even with a shorter completion time.
     
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  11. Dodo1610 Cipher

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    Kingmaker became a lot bigger than the devs anticipated and then they started cutting corners in the final chapters to get it finished .
    Wrath of the righteous will probably be as long as they originally planned Kingmaker to be.
     
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  12. Shadenuat Arcane

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    They underestimated how difficult it is to create good custom content which traditional RPGs mostly consist of.
     
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  13. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    Well, yes and no. The problem is the guys in Saint Petersburg are not following their ideas. They are implementing Mr. Vincke's ideas. So while technically BG-3 is partially made by Russians, it is actually made by and for a Belgian game studio with a director from Gent.

    Also, for all non-believers I would suggest reading and trying to understand 2 thecnical articles on Kickstarter. I think that Owlcat address unnecessary development workload quite aggressively, and it might be more impactful than their now infamous QA bot.
     
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  14. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Their Lead Systems Designer is a (Bela?)Russian guy though (the author of the infamous DOS2 armour system btw).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9Ud7jrnanU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZPj83H38bs
     
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  15. Reinhardt Arcane

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    I hope they won't go too big with strategy mode. Just hand-crafted key battles.

    Even simple system like in suikoden can be pretty fun. I still remember combining commanders to get named units or sending horde of hungry beavers to sink enemy fleet.
     
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  16. InD_ImaginE Magister Patron

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    Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    Seems like we have, I dunno, 2 - 3 more stretch goals to look for after this one.
     
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  17. Ontopoly Scholar Village Idiot Trigger Warning Shitposter

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    It always hurts when a Kickstarter you care about ends because there's always that next goal you never meet .
     
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  18. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    Maybe not the feedback but the way Josh interpreted it to mean whatever he wanted it to mean.

    You must be a retard. Nice to know. Read before you write next time. "LOL".
     
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  19. Reinhardt Arcane

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    Maybe final goal will be spanish voices.
     
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  20. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    Btw will the post kickstarter backers(through backer portal or whatever it's called) be counted towards announced stretch goals? if so then we should comfortably reach the goal.
    i didn't follow the kingmaker kickstarter but I was told we got nok nok that way.
     
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  21. santino27 Arcane Patron

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    $61k in donations yesterday, and 4 more days to go including today. Even if there wasn't a spike in the last day (and there always is), that means 240+k more in donations or ~$1.876M. That's the HOMM stretch goal, the next goal, and probably at least one more (and maybe more, depending on the spacing of goals.)

    I wouldn't be surprised if they ended up at 1.9M-1.95M. 2M seems a stretch, but who knows.
     
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  22. jerfdr Educated

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    They've said that post-Kickstarter pledges will count towards 1 (one) additional stretch goal not reached during the main campaign.

    We actually got the Aasimar race that way in Kingmaker. Nok-nok was funded still as part of the main campaign.
     
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  23. NJClaw Ontopolover Patron

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    The success of this kickstarter campaign after the experience of Kingmaker proves that there is an audience for rpgs where the focus is prominently on the gameplay and not on superfluous details like motion capture and omnipresent voice-over.
     
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  24. Luckmann Arcane Zionist Agent

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    Why would you assume that? A 5-minute visit to the Steam forums or Reddit should make it clear to you that 99% of "feedback" is useless. People are knee-jerk in their reactions and are prone to thinking they want to push buttons and see colors, and they generally want to cut out everything that requires thinking, consideration, preperation, or pacing. The vast majority of feedback is unsubstantiated fucking nonsense that would make most games actively worse.

    A game isn't about "stuff to do". That is the most popamole mentality imaginable. Is the Baldur's Gate trilogy about "stuff to do"? Does the slump in Throne of Bhaal, or the one in PF:K's Pitax for that matter, because of a lack of "stuff to do"? A good game isn't a fucking theme park.

    Presenting criticism of a massive reduction in planned playtime as a unfounded fear for "lmao no stuff to do!?" is either deceptive and deflective, or actually retarded, especially when the actual concerns have been detailed.

    This is simply not true. Tons of content has been added, and practically all content is reworked in several ways, and one whole book and about 1/5 to 1/4 of the map is flat-out missing; they literally removed that section of the map and parsed the sections of either side together. I know this because I was planning to use the PF:K map for running the PnP, and you just can't. Add to this all the extra quests, almost all the exploration maps, a ton of the dungeons, added connections to the overarching plot (fixing some of the chief complaints of the base adventure path), nevermind practically all dialogue and the vast majority of unique items.

    No. All the content for Kingmaker was definitely not designed on paper in the adventure path. At best, it was partially (re-)designed "on paper" in the private Pathfinder games we know the Owlcat people play, but if that is remotely true, their GM is a crazy motherfucker that goes well far and beyond the call of duty, whereas most GMs have loose notes and a propensity for making shit up at best.
     
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  25. BarbequeMasta Learned

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    Yeah Deadfire would have likely been far better if the dev team were cutoff the internet and all that bullshit "feedback". I liked the white march enough to think that POE1 sequel was gonna be great or at least better but then POE2 happened.
     
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