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Powerful spell is not awesome button. A end game spell which a scroll costs more than 2 legendary items and can only be used once per long rest is not a awesome button. But for some people here, it needs to be removed(and they ignore that a weapon of the same cost is arguably more powerful on 5e)

No, my sorcerer class would have limitations that makes sense for the bloodline in question. Eg, red/gold draconic bloodline would means that the sorcerer can't learn any spell with "cold" descriptor and get vulnerability to cold, the spells that he can chose to learn will be smaller but the bloodline would give more fix spells, among other tweaks. That way, you will not have silver draconic sorcerers casting maximized sirrocos.

That would be cool and fit the lore. Taking out all good stuff of a class is not a good thing.

 

Yes - it's TWO awesome buttons. Rest and then spell.

 

It is an awesome button. There are plenty of powerful spells in the 1-6 range that don't rearrange the universe and enable cheat codes. And "once per rest" lol as if that means anything in most video game adaptations.

 

Tell that to Monte Cook https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Monte_Cook

 

I'm fairly sure no such rule exists in 3.5. I'm ready to bet 1.000.000 Ontopolies on this.

 

Another proof that you never played as a sorcerer/wizard on kingmaker. You believe that you don't need to manage your spell slots and resting on kingmaker...

And again i ask you. Name one spell which rearrange the universe or enable cheat codes. Ice Prison, Mass is my favorite tier 9 spell and is not broken. Some times i use maximized sirroco over it.

Animate dead "you can control only 4 HD worth of undead creatures per caster level. If you exceed this number, all the newly created creatures fall under your control, and any excess undead from previous castings become uncontrolled. (You choose which creatures are released.) If you are a cleric, any undead you might command by virtue of your power to command or rebuke undead do not count toward the limit." https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Animate_Dead

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In addition, when a dread necromancer uses the animate dead spell to create undead, she can control 4 + her Charisma bonus HD worth of undead creatures per class level (rather than the 4 HD per level normally granted by the spell)." https://www.dndtools.net/classes/dread-necromancer/

If was up to him to design fighters, it would be worse than actually is on 3e.

That guy should be working with mage the ascension; just like some people here should be working on no magic games.

 

This rule limits animated undeads you can control, but it has nothing to do with summoned creatures. You can summon literally ∞ HD worth of creatures.

 

You are right. Was my mistake. Is because spell summoning lasts one round / level. Animate dead and create undead lasts forever.

 

Come on, Sawyer never really worked on Outer Worlds. If anything, I'd bet that turd would be better with his participation.

 

Real summoning spells have no duration limits. While Summon Monster/Summon Nature's Ally can be used to great effect, the real power comes with Planar Ally/Planar Binding/Gate.

 

The way Summons are used in P:K they should have Illusions instead.

 

Most of them? (Limited) Wish, Move Earth, Control Weather, Maze, Greater Teleport, Reverse Gravity, Planar Binding, Polymorph Any Object, Gate, Time Stop, Shapechange, etc. etc. And that's only arcane spells. Nobody is talking only about Kingmaker.

It seems to me that people who advocate for these ridiculous spells don't like having limitations. You know, like other classes and general rules in whatever game. "Sorcerers can only learn 4 spells by lvl 3!" Well, yeah, that's normal and you chose a Sorcerer. It's called having advantages and disadvantages.

 

What is people opinion here on the Path of War classes of Pathfinder? I have been reading a little over them and seem like they could be fun to play as a more micromanaging intensive martial class. I'm pretty sure they aren't in the new game, unless I have missed something. Not sure if they can even be added through mods, but still I was interested in knowing your opinions of them.

 

It's called Schrödinger's Spellbook. It's basically a fallacy that balancefags depend on to make their faux-arguments appear legitimate, when in reality they never are. They basically set up white-room theorycrafting to engineer scenarios that never happen, and then depend on Schrödinger's Spellbook to fill in the blanks as to how the scenario is resolved.

Every. Fucking. Time.

Path of War is basically the 3.5 Tome of Battle, except for Pathfinder (and they're practically co patible, too). The idea and systems are solid, and I think it was a bit shit that Paizo never capitalized on the Tome of Battle ideas.

I think they ramp up a bit too fast, turning what should be thematically grounded martials into fairly absurd or fantastical things much too early, and I would prefer a curve where characters would not become truly herculean or mythic until level 15, at best.

But you won't see it in WotR. Path of War is strictly 3pp, Dreamscarred Press, and I don't see Owlcat adding 3pp content unless it's a big planned thing from the beginning. I also don't see a way to mod it in. It is certainly possible, but it would involve creating a boatload of assets to portray appropriately, from backflips to shadowjumps and whatnot.

 

Most of this spells doesn't exist on kingmaker. So, you are talking about ruining a class which you never played because some spells exists on source material but not in the game... And guess what. Call of the Wild adds some of this spells and makes the game way better(at least IMO)

I an hipped for the Winter Witch and really wanna that they put a firearms classes and firearms for alchemists; imagine riding a elephant/wryven with a blackpowder rifle or bombs. That would be so cool.

 

Or maybe, just maybe, Golarion as a setting is utter shit. Shiiiiit.

This but unironically.

Epicfags gets the rope.

 

I heard Golden Dragon is the ultimate chad.

 

As Luckman said, the chance of having them in the base game is close to zero. Adding them through mod shouldn't be a problem at all: they basically are casters with weaker combat focused spells usable at will.

They are incredibly fun, but using them in a group of inexperienced players can be problematic due to some very strong abilities. Obviously, this isn't an issue in a crpg, so it all comes down to how the game is going to be balanced.

 

But why someone would wanna to become a devil? Always will be someone upper on hierarchy that can demote you. On Abyss, you can have fun with a succubus harem and no superior to boss you around.

 

Or you can be a dragon. The coolest thing in the universe. Did you know dragons get stronger through time? You don't want to fuck with an ancient dragon.

 

there is no record of a dragon monk though

 

You are right. Unfortunately many RPG's makes dragons into just large hp boxes. Dragons should be extremely powerful. A ancient silver dragon should know every cold based spell and cast as empowered/maximized not just a breath attack...

Imagine if monk unarmed damage bonus scale with draconic claws. That would dish so much damage...

 

A lot of people are using Spheres of Power and Might content in games I've been playing lately, pretty decent though some of the things you can get for one or two feats is pretty crazy.

Dropdead Studios and Dreamscarred are probably two of the best 3pp content creators for Pathfinder.

 

>He doesn't want to be a scaled fist who can transform into a gold dragon
Whack.

 

So it's true? You become a Perma-Dragon rather than the occasional Dragonform?
Can I finally be free to fly in the sky with my Draconic Brethren? Can I walk amongst the common folk with my newfound scaly form? Can I finally roleplay as Mr. Mordaut?