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OwlCat added more elements to Kineticists on alpha or said anything about kineticist on end game? Aether, Void and Wood seems amazing...

 

Physical does more damage than Energy and doesn't have to worry about Spell Pen. Not sure why you'd care about Weapon Focus, it's only +1 to hit.

The thing about Knight is that it feels a little weak at first but Kinetic Blade gets iteratives where Kinetic Blast doesn't so you can catch up there, although you'll be using Whirlwind a lot once you get that. Energy uses Touch AC so against high AC foes it does help to have that as an option to land those iteratives.

Water gives you a nice Shield/Mage Armor that can get pretty high, an infinite one-round Grease (you can spend Burn to give it duration but why?), and Bull Rush feats without prereqs that are fun with Whirlwind (triggers AoOs for everyone).

Earth gives you decent DR, Trip feats that also go well with Whirlwind, and Magnetic Infusion that can give your team +4 to hit.

Fire has Dazzling Display, Shatter, Dreadful as bonus feats

Air lets you use Celerity to build burn which in effect gives you access to Haste earlier than you otherwise would get it. Bonus Feats go well with Crane Wing stuff.

Basically Knight trades ranged AoE Infusions for AoE centered on yourself with Whirlwind, Iteratives, and a couple defensive abilities.

 

Weapon focus is a nice boost early game, but I guess you could probably skip it. I mainly mentioned it so he knew it was an option, as I didn't know first time around that kinetic blast focus would also work on kinetic blade.

IMO targeting touch AC is leagues better than the extra damage, since the extra damage AFAIK is only half of your constitution modifier, so unless you're going to be hitting 95% of the time anyway, getting that extra hit chance will (probably) increase your damage output overall.

 

Planning on it, at least by mid game, tho then you start hitting iteratives. Nice to have access to an Energy option before then for things like Big Bokken.

It’s ultimately more about the better Infusions you get with Physical, though the damage does add up too and you don’t have to worry about Spell Pen.

I got pretty annoyed that you don’t get any AoOs yourself, so make sure you’re not planning your group around that. I did do a stupid Vivi 2/Barb 2/KKnight Earth build with two bites and Trip cloak on top of Pushing Infusion I think.

 

How the hell do you manage that? (I'm a complete scrub at character building lol)

By the way, I forgot to mention that you should probably get weapon finesse and focus on dex instead of strength since constitution determines damage anyway.

 

S0rcererV1ct0r Obviously, spell combinations are important, and even desirable. BG, the CRPG wizardry golden standard, has this in spades.

Evolving from 2E to 3.5E had some trade offs. HP doubled without any proportionate damage die improvement, so blasting is now sub-optimal. Save or Die/Suck spells became practical at mid and high levels because you could finally effect the save. That had been a problem in 2E. Even still, the design intent kept it bounded.

Inflation of enemy stats significantly changes the how effective your limited spells will be. Basically, every +1 is -5% off your success rate, which designed around a base 50%ish chance rate. At the sheer volume of combat PFKM has, and tendency to inflate stats, that's a disservice that is noticable.

I don't want to exaggerate the difficulty, or come off as whining. Its all still very doable in KM, particularly by late game (due to items). I'm just trying to convey that the game pushes the dice mechanics outside their intended scope due to stat bloat, which has consequences. That is all.

 

You don't sound like a scrub to me. Weapon Focus isn't the worst idea since you already know what weapon you'll be using all game and it is a prereq for Shatter Defenses (Fire isn't the best element for KKnight).

How do I manage it?

Bard and Freebooter, with help from Cleric and Alchemist.

As for Finesse that's solid for Kalikke, she's lvl 13 with four levels of Thug here:


But for MC you're better off using STR to take advantage of the Size boost you get with Elemental Overflow.

 

Going to have to disagree with the first part, because I didn't even consider a large part of what you said, I do appreciate it though.
I have to complement your decision to give her levels in thug by the way, since you barely lose any damage and still reap a lot of benefits from that class.

This conversation pretty much motivated me to play this game again, so thanks for that since I'm probably going to lose another 150 hours of my life. I would rate your posts with the brofists it deserves, if only I could.

 

Yes, 3e doubled the hp on higher level for PC's and inflated even more for mobs, adult/ancient dragons which had around 200 hp on 2e and on 3e had around 500 hp. And evasion/improved evasion really hurted most evocation spells. But one type of spell which received a huge buff is persistent effects. Spells lasts way longer on 3.5e. And pathfinder has a lot of powerful spells. For eg, a lv 20 sorcerer can put 13d6 damage with a lv 2 spell( 3d6 + 10d6 -> Boneshaker), Ice Prison can be quite deadly vs enemies who can't pass the STR check. I defeated the captor by casting it and running with haste and then, alt tabbing. And sirroco? Lasts 1 round per level and deals 4d6 + CL up to 44 damage per round. Can knock creatures prone and make then fatigued or exhausted. It combed with Ice prison can deal 64 damage per round and lasts a eternity. With a cloudkill, each turn makes then more unlikely to break free.... And if you have a kineticist on party to cast deadly earth...

Not mentioning that on pathfinder, each bloodline gives a lot of powerful things. Including immunities at higher level and a abyssal sorcerer can be a amazing conjurer, a undead sorcerer can benefit from the DR/magic on earlier levels to have a way less painful chapter 1. Not mentioning D6 hit dice instead of D4(3.5e). I love it but also believe that each bloodline should come with a drawback,. Eg, silver draconic can't learn any spell with fire descriptor and has vulnerability to fire. Undead has vulnerability to radiant damage. Abyssal can be enraged if fails a concentration check and so on. Creatures with immunities come with drawbacks, why with the PC's it should be different? Is not because "muh balance", i just think that having weaknesses are interesting as having advantages.

Here is a guy soloing lantern king as a sorcerer with some subclasses.



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About WoTR specific, anyone knows if at least the mythic paths come with drawbacks? If liches are vulnerable to radiant damage for eg?

 

Spells don't always last longer in 3.5e.
Many buffs do, but Charm Person for example lasted indefinitely in AD&D and you only got the chance to save once per day at best (if you have 19+ Int) and once per 3 months at worst (if you have 3 Int).

 

Yep. I was talking about combat spells. Like incendiary cloud.

 

Charm Person in AD&D is a combat spell when you're fighting a group with a heavy-hitting martial, it is more like Dominate.
But yeah DOT spells and buffs usually last at least as long, if not longer, in 3.5e.

 

can I charm npcs and get additional dialogue yet or is this still missing tons of features that were in baldur's gate

 

By the way, has there been any news on the race vote? I haven't been keeping up, on account of the whole "don't have a computer" thing.

But no pink dragons.

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Aside from the one I homebrewed a week ago or whatever.

Nope. We will probably never see such a gem again in our lifetimes.

 

If I was a dragon I think I would be Silver

 

A shame we're locked into Metallic Dragons instead of Chromatic.

 

It sucks ass to be locked to Gold Dragon. I was hoping to make a Dragon Bloodline Bloodrager into Dragon Disciple Dragon, but Gold Dragons are meh.

 

You'd be a mole dragon.

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Never say never. Seems pretty elementary.

 

All I read in that sentence was Dragon, Dragon, Dragon, Dragon. HOLY SHIT! Say that 10 times fast!

 

You oughtta call that build Dragon To the Third Power.

 

Steel Dragon FTW.

 

Monk dragons!

 

Good to hear, but if you're wanting to play a DEX KK, just play Kalikke, that way if you get tired of it you can do something else. The first four levels of Rogue are some of the best in the game, but I was just going for that sweet Brutal Beating Whirlwind action. With the Air bonus feats you can even get to Crane Wing the hard way if that's something you're interested in. Would be interesting to see how it worked with Parry from Duelist 2 as well.

Val makes a fine STR KK.

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Kali, Val, and the Baron all running as Kinetic Knights sounds like quite the KK Klub.