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KickStarter Phoenix Point - the new game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by Infinitron, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Adidas-Clichèd Cringe Learned Patron

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    So game bad?

    Piercing a wooden wall and floor with a WW2 era bolt-action rifle doesn't seem that impossible to me.
     
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  2. Shog-goth Learned Patron

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    When I was in the Army, for training we used WWII-era Garand M1 semi-auto rifle and 3 cm wooden targets at 100 mt often were pierced or plain broked, so it's not impossible at all specially at point blank.
     
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  3. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    Indeed, but the wall seems to be brick or concrete. Piercing it is totally reasonable, but creating large man sized holes in it (or the floor) seems a bit over the top to me.
     
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  4. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Maybe the house was full of termites and a few bullets is all it took for walls to start breaking apart :D
     
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  5. Mazisky Erudite

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    I don't know why some guys, while comparing this to Xcom 2, criticize its bugs: they forgot that Xcom 2 was a shitty messy pile of bugs and glitches at launch. It took months to fix them.
     
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  6. Cyberarmy Love fool Patron

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    LoL, it's hard to upgrade ebony wood. :smug:
     
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  7. ArchAngel Arcane

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    Don't lie :P
    It took an expansion to fix it. Base Xcom 2 game is the most shitty, buggy piece of shit software I ever played. And I am only talking about its engine and bugs.
     
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  8. orcinator Savant

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    Is there a "list of havens" button or do I have to check each haven individually if I don't want to recruit another fucking berserker.
     
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  9. Galdred Studio Draconis Patron Developer

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    That's why it should not be a big issue if the polished complete Steam version launches at the same time as XCOM 3 not-an-early-access version.
    The main issue is that if they had to launch on epic store to fund further development, it might not bring that much more than what they got in advance or whatever. I don't know of many people who purchase games on Epic Game Store.
     
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  10. cvv Arcane Patron

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    That's because those people's lives are not entirely consumed by ranting about this issue on the interwebz all of their waking time. I've bought 4 or 5 games on Epic and I got 10 more that I grabbed for free but I don't feel the urge to remind people about it at every opportunity. I also long gave up trying to talk to the anti-Epic crowd. All you get from that is spittle in your eyes.
     
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  11. Child of Malkav Learned

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    No it's not. The title of " most shitty, buggy piece of software" clearly goes to Underworld Ascendant. Period.
     
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  12. Mazisky Erudite

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    As usual, as soon as some random hate bandwagon pops out on the internet, thousands of sheeps jump into it.

    Shit-talking about Epic Store is like ranting against racism, but for gaming.

    Do you remember the en-masse hate on Blizzard after the Honk Kong controversy? It all disappeared as soon as they announced Diablo 4.

    Some of them have legitimate criticism and arguments, but the majority are just empty heads to fill with whatever random stuff is available at the moment, expecially if there is something to hate or complain vs.
     
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  13. Jimmious Arcane Patron

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    Sorry I'm confused, are you trying to say that ranting against racism is a "random hate bandwagon"? :?
     
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  14. Mazisky Erudite

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    it is when it's done just because others do, and not because you believe in it.
     
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  15. PanteraNera Cipher

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    https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/3/20993568/phoenix-point-xcom-impressions

    Heh, what was said at all the times? "We are holding back content for surprises when the game gets released".
    More likely there never was more content than what was shown in the BackerBuilds.

    So no Juggernaut (I posted some WIP pictures in here, also Julian mentioned it in the interview), nor any other new aliens?

    No other "boss" than the crabqueen?

    I am amazed at how much got cut from the game. What was that? "We delay the game because it has gotten so huge". "We take all the epic money to make more content".

    Damn what a shame.

    Nope haven't played it (yet).

    Has anything big changed between BB5 and the RC? Any new content? New enemies? Are weapon mods in? Or soldier customization?

    As far as I can tell the answer is No to all of these questions.

    Wow, just wow!
     
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  16. cvv Arcane Patron

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    You think only Kickstarter games cut content and change shit? You think games paid by publishers always end up exactly the way they were planned?

    Gollop is stupid not because he didn't deliver on what he promised but because he made any specific promises in the first place. Sure, if you're on Kickstarter, you have to offer people SOME kind of roadmap but you should always keep the specificity to a bare minimum because, as Daniel Vavra said, making a game is not a factory production, it's more like research and development and you're always mobbed by surprises and unforseen obstacles.

    Now it's entirely possible they cut content in the vanilla with the intention of selling it as DLCs. But it's more likely they just ran out of time, money, talent or they did it while polishing and balancing the game. Or a hundred other possible reasons.
     
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  17. Zombra An iron rock in the river of blood and evil Patron

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    Game is out? I haven't followed dev at all for like two years. What am I getting for my backer $? Should I be excited to finally play this? Share your feelings.
     
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  18. Mazisky Erudite

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    To sum up critics and users opinion:

    Pros:

    -Deep gameplay
    -Good strategy layer
    -Nice art

    Cons:

    -Bad graphics
    -Few and repetitive maps
    -Feels rushed and unpolished
    -Not enough different from Nuxcom
     
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  19. cvv Arcane Patron

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    I'd say wait a year. Not because of muh Steam but because you should always wait a year with playing p. much anything nowadays. Just a good rule of thumb in this day and age.
     
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  20. Alpharius Educated

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    Cause thats design flaws, not bugs. There is no good way to "fix" random pieces of cover blocking overwatch shots that looked as though they should have been possible. They'd have to either "disable" all cover in a certain radius from a shooter (which would lead to i can shoot you, but you cant shoot me problem) or make all cover convex or something.
     
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  21. Raghar Arcane

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    It's kinda interesting how much cvv is trying to defend this.
     
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    Sounds like it's nuXCOM+, so YMMV. I'm planning on waiting because it sounds like there's an enjoyable game under predictable rough release-edges.
     
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  23. PanteraNera Cipher

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    Well, at least to me it is bad business to get people excited for something that you are not going to deliver.
    And there is a lot of stuff they talked about (even in recent "news",not to mention Fig) that are missing in the RC.

    Am I suprised? Not at all. I expected this to turn out as it did. It's basically Backer Build 6 and the backer builds were pre-alpha.

    So we will see in a year what this game might become :lol: if ever.
     
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  24. ArchAngel Arcane

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    That is why I wrote "I ever played" .
     
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  25. Mazisky Erudite

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    To be fair I think it's also the unpredictability of this genre with many parts interacting with each other that makes all prone to bugs. Games such Ufo defense or Silent Storm were a buggy mess too.
     
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