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KickStarter Phoenix Point - the next game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by Infinitron, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Perkel Arcane

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    No i just sip tasty beer and try to enrage steam fanboys.
    It has been immence fun lately with every other indie and bigger game coming to epic store.
    It never gets old when steam fanboys argue that Steam monopoly is actually good.

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  2. Grotesque ±¼ Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Divinity: Original Sin 2
    not higher, another standard

    @SpiritOfFIre The backer / pre-order money wasn't going to last forever, and there's no telling how well the game would have sold on Steam. A poor launch could have resulted in lay-offs or even studio closure. The Epic deal removed that risk

    So after they whored themselves with making it look kid friendly with an artistic direction so bland and generic it's obnoxious and after they made the UI console-centric, they still don't have the confidence that the game will sale well?
    I say they change the bases layout to XCOM's ant colony style (like another whores who develop Xenonauts 2 shamelessly did) and make combat real time with pause, to increase their chances of a hit game.

    So imagine on the long term, if the game is a flop, all the studio employees will know they're only standing there like some zombies kept upright by crutches made of Epic's money.
    :)
     
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  3. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    Well, if you were talking about nuxcom specifically then ok. But there were a lot of tactical games released between the original and the time gaming went to shit and some of them were really, really good

    My snarky comment was mostly about lapping up the PR bs. It was super hard to accept these dollar bills, but we can use it to buy you free hookers hand-signed by Gollob and all that. None of things that transpired so far points towards that. Like many before them, instead of betting on the quality of their game, they accepted the third party cash to turn their product into de facto advert for a new store.

    And their apparent lack of confidence is probably well-grounded. They made a classic mistake of getting old fans on board by promising a classic game, then streamlining it just enough to piss off the actual audience, but not enough to get the attention of retards.

    With all of that in mind, it's pretty logical that ongoing support and all that jazz might not became a priority.
     
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  4. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    I'll stop caring about the launcher when developers and publishers stop caring about the launcher. They aren't the ones who potentially have to install handfuls of DRM clients (which is what these "launchers" actually are) on their computers.

    Or—and I know this is a strange idea for people born in 1998 who think that day-one DLC, pre-order incentives, and invasive DRM are normal, but bear with me—they could release DRM-free (gasp!), like CDPR.
     
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  5. Maggot Erudite Patron

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    yes think of the poor corporations what else are they supposed to do with their fortnite bucks?
     
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  6. Perkel Arcane

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    Fact of the matter is that Launchers are more or less meaningless now as games servers don't care about which launcher you pick and you either way conduct all of your social needs via discord which is superior to any kind of steam "friends".

    The only good argument is about DRM but again. You have to be consistent. If you don't like it being on Epic you also need to hate it for being on Steam.

    I treat launchers now effectively like just game launchers. Switch on, play, switch off.

    i can totally see in future Discord futher integrating those platforms into app itself and becoming crosslauncher that hides all the crap you see and just runs game. If not discord then someone else.

    In the end those shops will have to compete delivering best prices without scamming people into their "ecosytems"
     
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  7. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Rejoice, replacing one monopoly(if you consider Steam having one) with another!

    And holy shit, it's not about DRM and they are not competing when buying out games.
     
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  8. Kutulu Magister Patron

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    Ohhh i already got four types of cancer.... lets get a fifth.
     
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  9. Perkel Arcane

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    Why would anyone put games on Epic store if not Epic competing with Steam to give devs better deal ?
    Do you think Epic just goes to devs and:

    - epic : Your game should be exclusive to my store. You should agree
    - dev : i agree.

    Taking 12% instead of 30% already is huge difference and on top of that Epic is willing to "guarantee" sales by covering every full price copy purchase if game doesn't reach agreed upon numbers and some devs even got extra money for funding.
    Already developers who pick that are winners of competition which in returns means more games to you and down the line proper competition for actual price of game.

    Already as consumer you get free games from them just to try their Store. Soon they will have their own sales and you will not have to wait for Steam sales but with more players there will be always "sales" which ultimately will drive down prices even more.

    This debacle reminds me a lot of when new telecommunication player went online in Poland called Play.

    "Why would you use it if coverage is spotty"
    "It doesn't have XYZ"
    "Why i can't buy phone XYZ from Era ? Why it is exclusive to Play ?"

    And we went from paying about 0.2$ for SMS to making videocalls 24/7 included in single bill that never changes regardless of how much calls like that you make in a month.
     
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  10. thesheeep Arcane

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    I certainly hope that the Epic Store is a success.
    Mostly because I also hope that this will lead to Valve being broken from their lethargy and actually improving their client, and not only by improving the algorithm that determines which games you see in the store...

    Fabulously optimistic, I know, but who knows, in four years, we might have a better Steam plus other client/community/launcher packages that are good as well.

    And even better, Steam might reduce their absurd 30% cut to something more sensible, which will be great for developers.

    Or this changes the landscape so now exclusives becomes the norm and any major title will be exclusive to something.
    In that case, I can only hope software like Playnite and Lutris really take off.
     
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  11. Perkel Arcane

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    Imho i hope that soon there will be so many launchers that whole point of launchers will go away and everything will be tied to frontends in similar fashion to Discord.

    Already discord is killing those launchers because all social aspects are taken out of those launchers killing their idea of "ecosystem". Your gaming friends list is on discord not in steam or other launchers.
     
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  12. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    I don't care about what the devs make. I care about making the best deals possible for me, and I don't care about their free game policy to get me to use their store. That stuff will end anyways.

    I care about stuff like after the 15th you will only be able to buy The Division 2 on two stores, UBI and EPIC. Before that you could buy it mostly anywhere, where the stores actually competes with its prices. Like the other day I bought Division 1 from a random Norwegian store for 4 bucks. It cost 40 Euro on Ubistore currently.
     
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  13. Perkel Arcane

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    Well if you care about that then you should be right now cheering for Epic.
    Because if GOG showed us anything is that good service does not equal success.

    Epic also knows that they don't have infinite time. They know perfectly well that Fornite is fad and soon it will end shutting off their money river. If they want to make dent into market they have to be bullish.
     
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  14. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    I don't get it, why would I cheer for Epic? Just told you they are putting limitation on where I can stuff. Steam does not for an example. GOG is only great that it is DRM free, everything else is lackluster. They even ruined their own site for some unknown reason.

    Look, I would praise Epic to the high heavens if they didn't buy out games that I wanted to play and held them hostage, and provided competition the fair way, by putting those billions into making a great platform for consumers. At the end of the day, we are the ones that are paying devs. This Epic welfare stuff will only last so long.
     
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  15. GrainWetski Arcane

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    They're actually doing this

    Epic: We'll pay you millions of dollars to be exclusive on our store.
    Shortsighted cunt: We accept!

    It has nothing to do with some pay cut whining from paid off devs. That you're swallowing that hook, line and sinker says a lot. The same devs whining about Valve's cut aren't whining about Microsoft's, Sony's, Nintendo's cuts or any of the PC stores. It's only Steam. Gee, I wonder why that is.. Gullible sheep will be gullible, I guess.

    You should cheer for them because being a contrarian against "Steamtards" is cool or something. Gamejournos told him so.
     
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  16. PanteraNera Erudite

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    You guys forget about Half Life 2, it was steam exclusive and there was a major uproar back than.
    I was really into Half Life back than, but I didn't buy HL2, because of steam.
    Than I found darksteam, good old times.
     
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  17. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Half-Life 2 was a Valve game.
     
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  18. Perkel Arcane

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    And ? Games that come to epic store belong to devs so by same argument you can argue that they are free to release it how they want and you shouldn't complain.

    And yes shitting on steamtards is fun time.
    Two good things at the same time.

    :yeah:
     
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  19. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    I only mentioned like 20 times previously how I miss times when strategy board did not attract shitposters.

    Well, here we go again.
     
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  20. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Devs can do whatever they want, but how does it benefit you and me when EPIC is creating A REAL monopoly, one thing you EPIC cock-munchers keep complaining Steam is doing constantly? It does not benefit me, nor you, nor the devs, since the welfare money will run out.
     
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  21. PanteraNera Erudite

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    Doesn't matter (to me).
    Point is it was exclusive, people that wanted to play it needed to install steam. Epic tries to do the same now.
     
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  22. Taka-Haradin puolipeikko Arcane

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    May I remind you that before Beamdog "enchanted" PS:T, GOG was only digital store that offered it commercially.
    These exclusive deals aren't new in any shape or form, besides Epic exclusivity has that publicly known 1 year limit.
     
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  23. PanteraNera Erudite

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    Honestly to me all of them (Steam, Epic, Ubi, Bethesda) are equally bad. The only good one is GoG. But people stick to steam as they are used to it.
     
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  24. Alienman Arcane Patron

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    Point is, it's their own game. They built Steam from scratch with that game and it took them years. Epic could and should have done that with Fortnite instead of buying out games and putting them under lock on their store.
     
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  25. Trans-Financial-Man Learned

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    You're right. Steam won't be a monopoly anymore because Epic will be the monopoly. Do you want to live in a world where one publisher makes a point of ensuring you can only purchase games on their service? And that only certain games are allowed. A fragmented market where you can only purchase certain games on certain platforms doesn't work as well as Console makers would have you believe.

    Also look at Rainbow Six Siege. If you honestly think China won't have any influence on western games when Tencent are actively aquiring western devs with investments from the chinese government then it's time I tell you about this bridge I have for sale.
     
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