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KickStarter Phoenix Point - the next game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

Discussion in 'Tactical Gaming' started by Infinitron, Mar 18, 2016.

  1. Dreed Bremsstrahlunged Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker
    I got an e-mail a few minutes ago:

     
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  2. Duraframe300 Arcane

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    Except the market who is responsible for that word of mouth and those first impressions is already poisoned thanks to this move.
     
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  3. Black Arcane

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    Lemme tell you, the "old guard" of game devs doesn't look too pretty. How many of them have proven that they're either extremely incompetent or sell-outs or both?
     
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  4. Obsequious Approbation Savant

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    Well, fuck me sideways, this game was my brief foray into the realm of crowdfunding. See you in the Humble bargain bin, Gollop.
     
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  5. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...-games-store-exclusive-deal-for-phoenix-point

     
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  6. mastroego Arcane

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    "It was not our intention to scam anyone. Sorry that we DID scam you, in the end. If only it hadn't been so convenient."
     
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  7. Alexandros Arcane

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    I got the same email.
     
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  8. PanteraNera Erudite

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  9. normie Educated Zionist Agent

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    The fig campaign was pitch perfect and stood on the promise it was in the safe in the hands of papa UFO who understands, implicitly, not to make another game in the genre just to add to a long list of uninspired compromises. It had the look of a game that could become a sleeper hit, if it could stick the landing, or at the very least scratch the itch of wanting a nuanced, technically evolved nuXcom-like that's not a retread of nuXcom in style and presentation. So people funded it, so such a thing could be made, true to aim. And now it looks like an xcum bootleg complete with thicc clean shoulder pads and enemies that might as well be from another planet, because they evoke nothing that the designs that explicitly utilised human features did.

    The gradual undoing of the original premise has been torturous to follow, I really did find the pitch inspired.

    Show Spoiler
    WHERE'S MY BODY HORROR, JULIAN? WHERE'S MY FUCKING STEAM KEY, JULIAN?
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  10. Konjad High on potatoes Patron

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    damn it then, gonna play something else instead
     
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  11. Frusciante Arbiter

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    Really couldn't care less about what distribution platform they use, as long as it's not the Ubisoft thing.
     
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    Eh, I'll just keep playing Open X-Com mods for the next 25 years.
    :dealwithit:
     
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  14. daveyarsegallant Educated

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    Epic and Gollop have set themselves up in a no lose position while the Steam fanbois rage and spew salt. Gollop has already said that he does not expect all the butt hurt to affect sales, so clearly he has no shits to give about all the butt hurt.
     
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  15. Blaine Cis-Het Oppressor Patron

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    Grab the Codex by the pussy
    This dude can't even spell butthurt correctly. What a faggot.

    Even if you were trying for a gramatically correct spelling, it would be "butt-hurt" until such time as a run-on word is made official.
     
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    I used to work with royalty agreements.

    They are very explicit. The structure is typically one of two:

    1. $X per copy sold. This can be tiered depending on sales. So money per item can change if it sells more.

    2. $Y fixed payment up front. Then $X per copy sold.


    Fun fact: One of Interplay’s major financial issues was royalty payments that went unpaid (which of course was on purpise because their cashflow was likely shit).

    If it’s in the agreement it’s not something Epuc could easily get out of.
     
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  17. daveyarsegallant Educated

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    I may be a faggot but at least I am not butthurt about your game god betraying your faith. Oh sorry, "butt-hurt".
     
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  18. Shog-goth Learned Patron

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    Is there such a thing as "too much" pads?


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    I hope you ain't one of the people, a group composed mostly of PP devs, who thinks this game can do nuXCOM numbers. XCOM2 apparently sold couple hundred percent less units than the first game, that with riding the popular franchise, made by the go-to company for "hurr durr imma stragteygy gaymer" crowd, huge marketing budget etc. And supposedly being a better game than one, although I'm just going by popular opinion here.

    These guys just made everything possible to piss off the people who were their actual core audience and who would talk about the game, create and maintain the community etc. And I don't think they did nearly enough to replace them with nuXCOM fans and various dudebros. Of course they don't seem to care with guaranteed money in their pockets, but from the outside it looks like a huge clusterfuck.

    I guess some more thrilling developments are still possible, like them postponing the game even more and using the money to go full retard with it, but eh, whatever.

    Yeah, right.
     
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  22. Zboj Lamignat Arcane

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    A lot. Which only confirms what I started suspecting long time ago, that many of these people were just PR mugs who got the glory in the eyes of the public and we will never know the true driving force behind the classic games.

    Also, technically many of these projects were pretty scammy in a way that they just wanted to get the money from nostalgic fans and creating a proper game was never in the picture, so we don't actually know whether a guy like Gollop would be able to create a genuine spiritual successor if he tried. Although I wouldn't bet on it, that's for sure.
     
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  23. Shog-goth Learned Patron

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    TBH, despite all the scam and lies BB3 shows a lot of potential. Undeniably there is a bit of the 'old magic', unfortunately they are doing everything in their power to be hated.
     
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  24. thesheeep Arcane

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    There are worse fates, indeed.

    What about that is bad news? They scan Steam files to get your Steam friends, if you want to import them. And they scan the <user> folder to find these files. 100% normal behavior for tasks like that.
    That is in no way different than any mobile app like WhatsApp, etc. scanning your phone numbers to suggest some friends/contacts to add.
    I'm fairly sure other applications allowing you to import Steam friends do it in a similar fashion.

    Btw. you can easily check what data exactly an application sends to what server - there are tools for that which are pretty easy to use, for example Wireshark. It is pretty interesting, too, if you are into that kind of stuff. You wouldn't believe what some applications send around :lol:
    If they would send more data than they claim they would, someone would've noticed already and rang the alarm bell.
     
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  25. PanteraNera Erudite

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    That is the really sad part about all of this.

    BB3 shows a lot of potential, the mechanics (not visuals) are way closer to X-Com than XCOM, everything uses TU's, multiple shots per turn with TU's possible (for example you can shoot a handgun four times a row, if you don't move). I really do like the use of differently armored parts, that you have to flank enemies if their front is to heavily armored.
    The 4x elements on the Geoscape are fun and something new (to the franchise).

    Not to talk about what is to come:
    - 5 tech trees (the major three human factions, the aliens, player factions) with hybrid tech
    - base building like in X-Com with multiple bases
    - mutating / evolving alien threat

    This alone sets it so much apart from anything released between now and X-Com.
    If they deliver.

    Honestly there are so many things that have gone wrong and generated bad publicity / backlash from Backers, but besides visuals, supported platforms, launchers, graphics, we seem to still get the game (mechanic, setting and complexity) they had talked about around Fig.

    Most of this is speculation and I do not like to speculate to much, instead I want to see what BB4 has to offer.
    The best thing they could do is to release BB4 as soon as possible with new features, content and more polish.
     
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