Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

You didn't read anything in first game no? For combatfags and systemfags this is a better game, it also has exploration and what not.

 

People are fine killing Nazis. Its the comparison between white southern US men and literal storybook evil nazis combined with the rainbow alliance cast that makes people angry.

It implies that white conservative men are Nazis and "minorites" are the only people opposing them.

It's telling the primary demographic that they should fuck off that's the issue here. The message is very overt while it's questionable that there is any sort of message at all in Deadfire.

 

That’s total nonsense about the factions. The quests are way more developed than the joke factions of the first game. I’m not sure how you got that impression. I wouldn’t really describe it as barebones either. It’s very much modeled on BG2 design-wise. You have a vast amount of content in the central city and then some smaller hubs that help thicken things out.

While the writing is absolutely worse than the original, the actual content itself is a lot better. It’s just presented in a poorer prose style.

 

Why not show some evidence that it flopped?

 

Got portraits pack from nexus and it has some... interesting options...

 

Writing isn't offensively bad either. It's not like Baldurs Gate is significantly better, and Deadfire at least has a unique setting and believable worldbuilding. The factions are cool and some of your choices have consequences, which is something that was lacking in the first game.

 

I wouldn't say writing is worse than the original, I think it's about same quality as base game but it's less serious with more "colourful" companions and has stuff like romances so it comes off as more strongly and profane. It's also much better edited, there is still fat they could have cut but a lot less of it. Compared to boring but inoffensive poe1 it's better. It's worse than WM though definitely, which really was a lot more polished and better edited.

 

no

 

It's a comparison between two, you can cut like half of poe1 base. There is a lot of prose that is overwrought with repeated descriptions and overdone sentences in second game but it's not as much as first game. It might jump a bit more at you due full VO too, I guess.

 

It is much worse in the area of player responses, granted there are a lot more of them but I regularly found almost all of them totally cringe-worthy while the lines of the NPCs to be reasonable. A lot of the time the some of the player responses barely related to what the NPC said. I blame a bad/inexperienced writing staff and the disposition system forcing the writers to fill disposition quotas regardless of whether it is logical for a given situation or not.

 

http://steamcharts.com/app/560130

these aren't great numbers

 

Is Roxor losing it? Deadfire is way more concise than the original. Maybe the trauma of playing PoE affected his ability to form memories of the experience. I hear that happens a lot with abuse victims.

 

I don't mind existence of silly and stupid responses, it's better that they represent full spectrum of retardation than to have limited responses. It's true though sometimes just sensible and normal responses are lacking, especially towards companions.

 

Only in spoken dialogues, it is very true that people are dialoguing at you much less. But the same is not true for descriptions/narration - those are about as or maybe even more pointless and redundant than in poe1. I skip all of them completely, no joke. I only read the first few words of a description in dialogue if it doesn't come with the NPC speaking, and I sure as hell don't feel like I've lost/missed shit yet.

 

From the little I have seen from Deadfire, the writing looks to be much worse than PoE1's writing. I quickly learnt to avoid backer NPCs in PoE1, so all the actively awful writing that remained was the purple prose. And the purple prose looks to be much worse in quality in PoE2, like there is noone left there who knows how to write.

 

I'm playing as crusader and my paladin part disfavor stoic options. And i have maxed stoic, because there is many times where the only sane option is to stand silent.

 

The issue is that the player regularly lacks reasonable responses while the retarded or "snarky"/"witty" responses constitutes like 50%+ of your options.

An occasional joke is fine but constant low effort "wit" at the expense of things one actually would like to say is a problem.

 

The game is a flop, we'll just see if they handle a flop well.

 

How much description/narration is there though? Again, I didn't have time to play very deep into the game but apart from the intro I didn't really run into all that much of it.

I do agree that when encountered it's derp.

 

They should make the word "Ekera" means something like 'shit' or 'crap", then it might actually make sense for people to say it every other sentence.

 

I'd say there's some in every dialogue node, and in every dialogue node it's redundant.

I wouldn't know though cuz I skip it all

 

I didn't read only on my second and last playthrough, I'm not hung-up about the writing, but about some accounts from people that it feels unfinished, and at least one person said the factions aren't much more developed than in 1.

 

Yes, there is a lack of just normal and sensible responses, I feel like it wouldn't be hard to have at least one in every dialogue option, they are easiest to write after all.

I am fine with 50% of dialogue options being silly, snarky, witty, tryhard or even outright retarded. I actually like when games let you be a tryhard b-rate movie wisecracker. Not everything one says needs to be eloquent, poignant, intelligent etc. This was one thing I liked in New Vegas for example, game let you be a silly asshole while responding to it appropriately in kind.

It feels unfinished in that it's buggy and imbalanced. It also essentially casts an infinite scope which can be filled forever with content if they chose to do that. In fact I do hope they go Paradox route here and try to fill and refine the game while they pump out their already planned DLC.

Also this thread has people unironically and in complete conviction defending DA:O, you can't take everything seriously.

 

The problem is excerberated when combined with the disposition system - you get the smae shit like in PoE1 where if you go after resolutions you want in quests you will end up with all dispositions maxed out. The tiny inclined bit is there are much more NPC reactions to your dispositions, so you get punished for being Shady, instead of it unlucking another dialogue option.

The faction part is just flat untrue, they have both more content and more characterization than PoE1, but that isn't really too high of a bar - it's not AoD or NV level.

 

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