Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

The budget of W2 was a fraction of Deadfire's budget.

 

No, I mean I think jokes that fall flat or reactions that come off as misfitting has their places as well when done intentionally, not just actually witty responses that are clever and poignant. Basically I think there should exist badly delivered lines for the PC character to express. Because that's a thing that happens, people say stupid shit that makes them sound retarded. That's why I am reiterating this meta argument because I think we are not on the same page here.

Also yes there is no comparison New Vegas is in my top 3 RPG, on the other hand I want to play deadfire because I like blackpowder guns and sailing ships. Also Spanish Empire and Spanish East Indies. So mostly LARP purposes.

 

Another astute observation from is that you a shitty haircut. Who the fuck have spikes on its head.

 

This is the most disgusting thing I've seen all year. Jesus Fucking H. Christ.

 

Someone posted it even before game was released. It's the first of two wizzord protective spells I liked. Second is Piercing sigil - the only spell that changes how you approach wizard (as melee becomes worse option).

Too bad you can just cast level 3 banhammer spell and strip enemies out of everything and kill them though.

Although Arcane deflection seems to do protect from it... but isn't it also a positive effect? I'm sorta interested and confused on how spells work in this game.

Hm, paralyzed a lich through his spell deflections with a spell. I dun get it.

 

Interesting.....didn't you say that you won't play the game until it is finished and patched?! Soooo how are you knowing that the game is solid and good without playing it? Am i mistaking you with some other posters,did you finish the game?

 

Factions are much better in this than in the first game. It has to do with the intertwined quest design.
Exemple with Crookspur, which is a peak of tension in the story (albeit, as I said regarding factions, it lacks actual consequences in terms of reputation atm):

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The traditional pirates deal with Crookspur slavers and want you to help them out.
The leader of the newfags among the pirates want it shut down to hurt the leader Furrante and replace him as king pirate.
This feud is grounded on the very first quest you get aboard your ship, Furrante asks you to take out some pirate capitalizing on how you'd want revenge etc.
You learn later that he was second in command to the leader of the newfags. And thus were scattered the seeds of war.

The Vailians want to help Furrante because they like slavery they desperately need protection against piracy and give exactly 0 fuck about the natives.

The Rauataians want to end the slavers business in Crookspur because they hate slavery they're preparing a full blown invasion of the archipelago to bring it civilization. Something which is never clearly said (at least not yet in my game) but becomes apparent as you talk with them. Plus, rauatai arms their ships with heavy cannons and care little for pirate repercussions.

The queen of Neketaka wants to rally some fierce tribe from the north to help Neketaka resist rauataian pressure. Because she knows what's up. Turns out the tribe in question is the very one who gets hunted by sea by Crookspur slavers.

This is all tied around the little opposite quests between Crookspur and the natives, where you can side with one or the other.

Decided to fuck the slavers up because Serafen is my bro. VTC and pirate oldfags btfo. Now a rauataian fleet shows up at Crookspur and soldiers seize the island. Installing their bridgehead in the peninsula. Now natives are mad and want normies out, which would gain their favour towards the queen (and weaken rauatai in the process). Also, it's all bugged in my game and I have no idea where it leads.

I love this quest design. It makes the world lively and believable, helps characterizing the factions and detailing the ratio of power in the archipelago. I think it's the single moment that concerns every faction as well. There are some quests which usually involve two major factions prior to that :the food shortage in the gullet concerns pirates and neketaka, while the VTC site in poko kohara concerns vailians and Rauataians.

Thing is, imo it should have huge implications in terms of reputation, and this should gate the player out of some faction given he hasn't done enough for the ones he let down. Especially since it's apparent that the player should be filled in about at least two factions before the Crookspur business.
Second problem is scripting issues. The game acknowledge (all the time from what ive seen) that the player has already done a job he's given, even through dialogues where the quest giver mentions it. Yet it goes bananas every single time. Either by skipping dialogues, triggering events in the wrong order or killing the questline (I can't do anything with the natives, game lost its shit with the rauataian fleet popping after I cleared Crookspur but before I talked to rauatai special ops sergeant captain).

 

This game suffers an identity crisis of whether it wants to be more like Baldurs Gate II or Fallout: New Vegas. Obsidian seems more suited towards the latter rather than the former, with exploration, sidequests, and factions being the best parts about Deadfire. The parts emulating Baldurs Gate II are noticeably weaker, such as the companion reactivity and campy humor. However, there are two things Deadfire emulated of Baldurs Gate that I actually feel are superior, and that's the core gamplay systems and the capital city of Neketaka. Truly excellent!

 

Cut content because of expensive VA and shitty writers.

 

I think we're in a bit of a definition of "is" situation again. What do you mean by a flop?

It's clearly not an utter unmitigated train wreck of a disaster like T:ToN for example.

It's clearly selling less than I for one expected. I thought it was a bit of a slam dunk -- P1 was successful, crowdfunding went really well (certainly better than I would have been expected, given that it was on Fig), it's got lots of positive press and a 90% metascore, and the Critical Role thingy kicked it into what sure looked like high gear pretty close to release.

We don't know what Obsidian's expectations were, and I very much doubt we ever will, except indirectly.

 

Not exactly,at the end of the game you can get mediocre ship when you choose a faction. The best ship is the Junk...fully upgraded.Bu honestly you won't need the ship that much,there is like 10-15 ship battles and after that nothing to do with it. I killed them in an hour and had nothing to do with the ship. Still the speed bonuses are nice when fully upgraded. I would recommend you to explore the capital,sell all the useless items and buy the junk and fully upgrade it. I had 10% discount when doing all the purchases.

 

I didn't finish it. I played about 10 hours into it. I'm basing my opinion on that plus what I'm reading here from people who aren't s.

 

It is the effect of completing the meia's side quest,there is one more slider about the other guy and the island that he was on.

 

If the fights are more interesting the story doesn't really need to be as good. Plus if nothing else the presentation of the story is better

 

Was Wasteland 2 fully voiced and had good graphics and whole album of songs?

 

D:OS3's next rising star of a writer.

 

Are you for real?! That is like me saying that i am not reading the comments of retarded communists.

 

Wiki says Wasteland 2 generated 1.5 mil in 4 days, I think Dumpsterfire topped that. Wiki also says W2 did more than 12 mil of revenue by September 2016. Wasteland 2 had 3 mil from KS compared to PoE's 4, I doubt it was much more expensive. If Dumpsterfire mimics Wastelands numbers it might not be so bad at all.

 

He got that impression because he hasn't played the game, saw someone else say it, and decided they must be right

 

doesn't "flop" for a crowdfunded title entirely depend on whether or not they went extremely over budget? the theory of this whole crowdfunding thing as I gather it is that they get the entirety of the budget to work with up front, no strings attached, so wouldn't that make even a scenario where not a single person buys the game a break even?

given that they apparently treated part of the crowdfunding budget of Torment as a surplus that could be moved into other projects, it seems safe to say that one was under-budget even, so a default success :achievementaward:

or maybe I'm missing the point and dev teams have a lot of extra running costs that aren't in the crowdfunding budget or something

 

I still have a creeping feeling they cut a lot of already-made stuff, especially things to do with the companions, so they can fully voice the game for some reasonable amount of money. I'd have flipped had I been the writers and designers if that's the case. I almost flipped when the people who commissioned a piece from me wanted me to shorten the end result because they had to "fit in the programme". Art doesn't care about your programmes. And it doesn't care about your voice acting. Absolutely infuriating.

 

Oh the game must have returned investments unless the devs are totally retarded and squandered a lot of money on shit. The game is not a flop in the sense of bankrupting the studio,it is more of the sense that there is not enough returns to be worth the time wasted developing the game. You don't do business so you could be a little bit above 0 after a few years of work.

 

IP.

Feargus wants to sell the studio. It ain't worth shit if it doesn't have IP. They won't abandon Eora so easily, as they'd just have to think of something else and launch that, which would be even more of a long shot.

Oh I read your comments all right... well, some of them at least.

I even give them the consideration they are due.

 

You are likely right for the companions, they have a lot less setting exposition dialogue than in PoE1. That's either the result of writers realizing their mistakes in the previous game, or VO budget - I know what I'd put money on out of those two.

W2 was enough for an enhanced edition and another crowdfunded sequel, unless we get some hard numbers leaked from OBS who knows.

The IP is owned by a another company which Feargus controls and they license it to OE, someone speculated in the MCA thread he wants to sell the studio and dupe the buyer into not getting the IP.