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Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pre-DLC Thread

Discussion in 'Obsidian Entertainment' started by Infinitron, May 8, 2018.

  1. FreeKaner Prophet of the Dumpsterfire

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    I am aware this is a modern take on the folk songs of then, they exist here too. However so are a lot of sea shanties as well and not just in Deadfire, all sorts of vocal only music gets re-purposed and appropriated. These sort of lamentations can be appropriated to fit modern audience and setting.

    So much of what's in fantasy and how they work is really taken in modern lenses anyhow, because it's really hard for people who are not used to anything but modern world to imagine pre-industrialisation world without extensive research. Average writer doesn't have any sort of idea how things worked back then beyond just "guilds", so you see modern state and city concepts just being directly translated into it.
     
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  2. AwesomeButton Cut a deal with the authorities Patron

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    Has anyone noticed the abnormal tendency that many, nearly every, figure of power is a woman in Deadfire? Starting with the digsite expedition leader, going through the Aumaua village leader that's near Port Maje, the Aelys, the boss of the RDC in Neketaka...

    It's actually pretty amusing because there is nothing in the writing that would give out that they are women, if we didn't learn it from the VO and from the pronouns used in the descriptive text. Even the watercolor portraits are not very helpful.

    Such an effort of puffing and pushing, to fill the quota you know, to have more womyn represented, and the end result is merely a fart.

    Speaking of the watercolor portraits, most of them are so basic, unmemorable, or simply lacking detail, that they are completley forgettable. They might as well not have made them at all. Do you remember a single character's watercolor portrait? I remember only one - the bartender of the Port Maje tavern, and that's it.
     
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  3. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    2house2fly I am not certain but I think he helps in the late game CYOA with the sea monster.
     
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  4. IHaveHugeNick Arcane

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    Who responds to the male mayor of Port Maje.
    2nd in command behind Furrante.

    Who seems like a figurehead while the man in the basement actually runs things.

    That's 3 of 4 examples that are wrong. And then Vallians are run by a man, Crockspur is run by a man, the Gullet is run by a man, do I go on?


    You're seeing things that aren't there.
     
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  5. Parabalus Arcane

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    I'd say the portrayals do no favour to women though, every woman leader is revealed to be a figurehead (if not outright incompetent) and propped up by a male.
     
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    The only legitimate competent woman in position of power are the queen and that Vailian head of the family in the feud.
     
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    Both are depicted negatively, as sly, decietful, and greedy.

    Who in turn is gay, and also qualifying for the abovementioned description.

    The examples are not "wrong", as all the cited characters are indeed women. I can give more examples of this recurring theme, just decided to stop there.

    I'm not "outraged" by the theme, just makes an impression with how clumsyly it's been shoehorned. Reminds me of SoD where every woman felt obliged to point out how men are worthless, and how strong and independent she is.
     
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  8. Parabalus Arcane

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    I wasn't too impressed with the queen after the watershaper quest, a bit cucked all in all.
     
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    Want another example? Here - Arkemyr's apprentice (indeed, apprentice) Fassina, and her boyfriend. The woman is resourceful but undervalued and subjected to her master's indignities and her boyfriend's absent mindedness, the boyfriend is sly, decietful, silly, vain, and greedy. No redeeming qualities.

    It's just funny to watch them trying so hard.
     
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  10. 2house2fly Liturgist

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    The whole point of representation is that it should look like business as usual. Same as New Vegas. I prefer this way of doing it to some Girl Power shit
     
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    What it looks to me is forced, the opposite of "business as usual". But I'm willing to suffer through it with a smile, because it's done pretty clumsyly.

    I'm becoming biased towards Josh and every time I encounter an interesting character or conversation, I attribute it to him having worked on it. I should make a check after I finish the game and see where I was right and where not.
     
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    Useless talk. Stop talking about this boys vs. girls shit right now.

    Now is the time for lamentations because Justin Dumbbell is a "musician".

     
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    The girl also managed to be tricked and bedded by a guy that's sly, deceitful, silly, vain, and greedy, soooooooo - I wouldn't call her an all-around perfect character.
     
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  14. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Wet dreams for Lacrymas.
     
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    Women love bad boys, the shy successful nerd girls the most. Dumpsterfire confirmed cuckold fantasy for nice guys.
     
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    You haven't been paying attention - that's Skaen :D
     
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    I agree it's not really worthy of discussion. Just one more aspect of how writing has declined at Obsidian...
     
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    Your argument was that nearly every position of power was occupied by a women. That's simply false and you were wrong. Which is why you abandoned that angle entirely and you're switching your narrative into men are written in such and such and such way, and women in such and such. That's a different conversation.
     
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    I think you got the wrong impression of them, honestly the women in Deadfire are so bad that the SJWs could have a field day attacking the game.

    Only vain is strictly negative out of those, even that's debatable.
     
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    Yes, good girls, especially academic types of little experience in the real world tend to fall for ne'er-do-wells.
     
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  21. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

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    Ohhh i am paying attention mate. Clearly Rymrgand is representation for God while Skaen is just Jesus.
     
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    I don't have a "narrative", you loon, or a deep strategy to convince the world of something. I was just remarking on a tendency in the writing which I have noticed as I've been playing the game. You are free to disagree that it exists.

    The one who changed the subject to how men are represented, was you.
     
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  23. 2house2fly Liturgist

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    New Vegas did the same thing. Trudy, Ranger Ghost, Jeannie May, Colonel Moore, even Tabitha at Black Mountain. You said yourself the writing doesn't make it especially relevant that they're women, so I'm not seeing how it comes across as forced or shoehorned
     
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    Whamen everywhere, even in heavy armour and weapons, seems to have been a thing in fantasy for a couple decades, like faggy dual-wielding. It's not something I'd blame Obsidian for specifically although it's sad they just go along with it.

    These hipster writers really struggle to write anything that's far beyond their cosmopolitan bubble. That's how someone gave Sagani in PoE1 a line about reading detective novels from one of the civilised nations, I forget which. Nice fucking portrayal of an inuit-style hunter-gather as literate, in a foreign language no less, you APE. It's also how we get a supposedly ''early colonial archipelago'' setting with not a single slave plantation: where do the slaves of Crookspur even go once sold? In PoE2 the biggest decider for how much the party likes you is whether you tell whimsical little jokes, are nice to fluffy animals, etc. At least Maia and Pallegina are patriotic, and Xoti zealous, but none of them are hostile to other faiths or religions like real people were and are. Real history was so much edgier than this, PoE2 feels like a fluffy millenial take. We were lucky to get a single actual religious chauvinist character in PoE1 thanks to MCA, and GM's backstory was nicely edgy too, oh and we had Devil of Caroc. PoE2 definitely declined on companions and general quality of writing.

    Also does Sawyer have a past of making these limp main storylines? It would have been easy to jiggle it around a little in order to give the player something to actually do to feel important. For example, have the Gods reanimate their old skeletons for a real fight with Eothas, and you could assist or oppose that. Did they write a shite storyline with an invincible protagonist (Eothas) because they ran out of money and time after focusing on the real issue of giving every fish salesman full VA?

    The more I think about this game the more it irritates me. Story was bad, companions mediocre, setting mediocre, combat is good (once patched) but automatically lame because it's human vs AI (if I want fantasy combat I play vs other humans in Dogshit of the Autism 2), the exploration aspect is mediocre and it really needs those DLCs to turn out well to become good, leaving the lighting as the only thing that's actually deserving of praise.
     
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    muh reality
     
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