Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[aweigh]

Sensuki

Default PoE 2 Beta combat encounter (No mods whatsoever installed at that moment):




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Here is footage of the units doing actions (attacking) after I increased the time spent during Recovery after doing stuff; I also increased the amount of time taken for an animtion to complete (thoug only by a tiny bit; it is in the Recovery periods where I increased muc)

 

[aweigh]

Sure, some will say I slowed actions down too much but thats besides the point: The values I took for the (many many) Recovery entries I took directly from Tyrannys game files.

I slowed down Recovery a bit more, and later (after recording the video) I went and also decreased the walking and running speed animation cycles of all the enemies in the Beta along with my player characters too of course.

For example normal Player Chars have a default animation multiplier for walking of 4, while the Fish Enemies in the beta have a whopping 7. (Almost twice as fast!).

Yes the fish enemies are supposed to be speedy predators but come on now, the combat is already a clusterfck without adding enemies that move twice as fast as your characters and its not part of their tactics (i.e. not a teleport or spell, Obsi just made the Fish monsters marathon runners for wtever reason).

 

[aweigh]

Also i want to make it clear that this method is muc better than slowing everything down artificially as with the slider or slow mode; instead simply making all actions slower by the same exponential degrees until you can manage a fucking fight without pausing 200 times (not pausing to tactically win, rather pausing to tediously read the mundane battle log which holds no itneresting feedback yet remains importan because afflictions and charms and shit can hit your party in less than 2 frames of animation).

 

[Riddler]

Edit your posts man, don't post 3 times in row within 15 minutes.

 

[CptMace]

You guys are showing videos called "poe chaotic combat" to Sensuki a month before release of the sequel ?
Haven't you watched Gremlins ?

 

[FreeKaner]

Honestly that combat speed looks fine, I think the main problem in why it feels so chaotic is how fast people die. I can't believe I say this but just bloat the HP a bit, also make casters deal more damage.

It seems they directly took HP values from PoE1 while not accounting for the fact that damage mitigation was largely reduced across the board, especially for "high dps" weapons that would normally get countered by DR. So result is even though combat speed is slow compared to PoE1, people just get instantly murdered with no counter-play opportunities whatsoever.

 

[Daedalos]

Honestly, I'm not feeling all this ship stuff and mechanics. Like... I hope it ties in VERY WELL with the story, because they seem to be spending alot of ressources on it.

Do I wanna play an rpg, or a fantasy ship combat simulator? Eh, what does the game want to be?

I hope it's gonna be fun, but... I would rather just have more traditional stuff in there.

 

[Lacrymas]

It doesn't seem like a lot of resources were used for the ship thing, though, I'm pretty sure even they realize it's a gimmick. An easily marketable gimmick as it happens. Sawyer seems genuinely excited about it, but that's his problem.

 

[FreeKaner]

I also am excited about it but I am kind of person who played assassin's creed blackflag just because it had ships. Not exactly high standards when it comes to maritime exploration and combat.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Lacrymas]

At least they gave good spells, a lot of the Druid spells are useless, so I guess we have more options of garbage now.

Maybe we can buy a Josh puppet from the store because I would buy one pretty cool we could brush his hair or stick pins into him for fun lol

....right.

 

[Sentinel]

Edit your posts man, don't post 3 times in row within 15 minutes.

it's part of his charm
leave him alone pls.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

It doesn't seem like a lot of resources were used for the ship thing, though, I'm pretty sure even they realize it's a gimmick. An easily marketable gimmick as it happens. Sawyer seems genuinely excited about it, but that's his problem.

You're literally just keep reposting the same shit over and over and expect different reactions.

 

[Infinitron]

Josh's response to the haters: https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...rid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=404#post481592573

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yup.

Guise, does anyone else think ships are a gimmick?

Guise, does aneyone else feel worried about ships?

Guise, am I the only one who thinks ships are pointless?

Like fucking clockwork every 2 days over and over and over again.

 

[fantadomat]

Yup.

Guise, does anyone else think ships are a gimmick?

Guise, does aneyone else feel worried about ships?

Guise, am I the only one who thinks ships are pointless?

Like fucking clockwork every 2 days over and over and over again.

Yes!
Yes!
No!

They feel like a waisted dev resources. Pirate theme doesn't mesh well with the PoE. I would have preferred a game in the Aedyr Empire. If i wanted ships i can always download sid meier's pirates or any of the other pirate games.

 

[Lacrymas]

You're literally just keep reposting the same shit over and over and expect different reactions.

I'm not expecting different results, I just like reminding people not to forget that it's a gimmick. And I won't stop doing it until I'm 100% sure it's 100% optional. Which it won't be, judging from Sawyer's post. He conveniently sidesteps the fact that the ships are fundamentally a secondary, or even tertiary, experience in this party-based RPG that is modeled after, and owes its success to, the IE games. Like fantadomat said, if I wanted to fight ship battles, I'd play Pirates!

The ship battles are obviously Sawyer's pet project. He gets super defensive about it, not caring that people won't like it even though he has repeated since the NWN2 days that some people hated the stronghold and didn't want to engage in it, so he made everything like that optional. Why the change of heart now, Josh? Democratic development seems not like your cup of tea anymore?

He also massively overestimates the popular appeal of a turn-based text-heavy combat system. This is grognard territory through and through, and even a very specific subset of grognard. I don't believe for a second that this is a core part of this game or that they've poured a lot of time, effort and resources into it. It's so bare-bones and samey, if you've fought one battle you've fought them all, so where is the result of the time, effort and resources? Populating the world with crewmembers like a xaurip or an ogre?

 

[Daedalos]

Don't waste time and ressources on fucking ships. Gg.

 

[Mazisky]

Tbh even official previews from magazines are saying they don't like the ship system.

In all previews i red and forums i've seen, there is noone who likes this system.

Best thing they can do at this point is making it optional or allow to combat ships encounter in tactical everytime.

 

[frajaq]

As long as I can just rush and board every ship battle I'll bear with this bullshit tbh

 

[CptMace]

He also massively overestimates the popular appeal of a turn-based text-heavy combat system. This is grognard territory through and through, and even a very specific subset of grognard.

We went full circle

 

[fantadomat]

As long as I can just rush and board every ship battle I'll bear with this bullshit tbh

I was thinking exactly this during the stream,if i can just charge them and take the better loot,i am on board. If it is 5 minutes of pointless shoot out,then it will get old fast.

 

[Lacrymas]

They've said you can skip the text portion, but you'll lose some resources in the process.

We went full circle

Even though the mainstream is a fickle beast, some aspects of it are tiresomely predictable. Thinking that they'll actually like something more out there is an unwise hope. Such attempts have been made before with little success, I've already told the story of Sergei Prokofiev and his Love for Three Oranges, where he thought the other composers are underestimating the public by churning out banal shit boring operas one after another, so he put that on stage. The result wasn't pretty, let me tell you. The ship combat in PoE2 is hardly on the same masterpiece level, though.

 

[2house2fly]

Sideline the stronghold system and make it optional: Stronghold system feels vestigial and pointless!

Make the stronghold system a major integral feature: I hate the stronghold system and don't want to engage with it!

Don't have a stronghold system: No stronghold? But Baldur Gate had stongholds! Some infinity engine successor this is!

 

[Infinitron]

Don't have a stronghold system: No stronghold? But Baldur Gate had stongholds! Some infinity engine successor this is!

Well they could probably get away with this tbh

Casuals and mass audiences(tm) might find the game less interesting, though.