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KickStarter Queen's Wish: The Conqueror - the Jeff Vogel Kickstarter

oasis789

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Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/619141553/queens-wish-the-conqueror

http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com/queenswish/index.html




https://af.gog.com/game/queens_wish_the_conqueror?as=1649904300

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Mustawd

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It's a big new thing for us, and I am terrified

Man I hope this isn't Vogel trying to put together his Kickstarter.

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We'll activate it next week

You fucking Madman. You should have been hyping this thing for the last week already!! :argh::argh::argh:
 

Zeriel

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That D:OS 2 blogpost was sure a great way to make sure people following him are uninterested in his Kickstarter. At least it was for me. It's not a new trend or anything, but with every day he sounds all the more like the old man who doesn't remember what it's like to play games as a player and not as a developer or someone with a job.
 

Grauken

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How can anyone be exited about anything Vogel does. His games have streamlined out any interesting game mechanics to the point that all that is left is goodwill from his older games. If you think this will be more complex than Avadon, you fool yourself
 
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How can anyone be exited about anything Vogel does. His games have streamlined out any interesting game mechanics to the point that all that is left is goodwill from his older games. If you think this will be more complex than Avadon, you fool yourself

His older games are not even that good. The main reason most people supported him was in hopes he would be able to do bigger, more complex, higher budget games over time. That's also how he heavily marked himself back in the day as well, if I just had more money money money I could make the most amazing hardcore RPGs!

Instead he took the money and made some shitty cell phone games and then shit on all the old fans who complained about it, pointing out how much money he was getting for them which proved he was right. Now there's 150 bucks or so I wish I had not wasted, a couple of the geneforges were decent but if I knew the endgame I would not have bought anything from that guy.
 

Mustawd

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His older games are not even that good.

That's fair. He tried to ape bioware form what i hear. I didn;t play any of the avadon gaymes, so I dunno.

The main reason most people supported him was in hopes he would be able to do bigger, more complex, higher budget games over time

Really? I just bought his games cuz I liked them.

That's also how he heavily marked himself back in the day as well, if I just had more money money money I could make the most amazing hardcore RPGs!


Really? I always felt like he did the minimum required to keep selling games. You got sauce no that. Would be curious.

Instead he took the money and made some shitty cell phone games and then shit on all the old fans who complained about it, pointing out how much money he was getting for them which proved he was right. Now there's 150 bucks or so I wish I had not wasted, a couple of the geneforges were decent but if I knew the endgame I would not have bought anything from that guy.


:butthurt:


Look, I like his games BECAUSE they are budget titles. *shrug* I like the aesthetic. I like the turn based combat (although I wish there was 6 in a party), I like his world building. His encounters suck ass most o ft the time. Especially bosses.

But you know what else I like about his games?

-Full party creation
-Non level scaled shit (afaik)
-No romanceable party members
-2D
-isometric or top down depending on which versions you play


Does he phone it in sometimes? Sure. I get the feeling he's terrified of thinking outside the box because that might mean he leases a ton of sales that could impact his family. He strikes me as a relatively low risk guy even though he ended up in games, which is not a low risk industry. Regardless, he's found a way to make it as low risk as possible.

Not sure where I'm going with this, but I guess I'm just saying I like the guy and his games even tho he is a whiney bish. But tbh, I'm excited to see what he has up his sleeve. Maybe it's at least worth a gander.
 
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Really? I always felt like he did the minimum required to keep selling games. You got sauce no that. Would be curious.

I used to read and post on his forums. The guy has always been pretty much the most talky developer in human history, and most of that various arguments about why you need to give him money. There's plenty to draw on, the problem is there is way too much between his million blogs, forum posts and interviews.

:butthurt:


Look, I like his games BECAUSE they are budget titles. *shrug* I like the aesthetic. I like the turn based combat (although I wish there was 6 in a party), I like his world building. His encounters suck ass most o ft the time. Especially bosses.

But you know what else I like about his games?

-Full party creation
-Non level scaled shit (afaik)
-No romanceable party members
-2D
-isometric or top down depending on which versions you play


Does he phone it in sometimes? Sure. I get the feeling he's terrified of thinking outside the box because that might mean he leases a ton of sales that could impact his family. He strikes me as a relatively low risk guy even though he ended up in games, which is not a low risk industry. Regardless, he's found a way to make it as low risk as possible.

Not sure where I'm going with this, but I guess I'm just saying I like the guy and his games even tho he is a whiney bish. But tbh, I'm excited to see what he has up his sleeve. Maybe it's at least worth a gander.

He made a few good games, the mistake I made was I liked the first geneforge so I bought like ten games and came to realize after putting in way too much time I only liked 2-3 out of them and they all tended to get worse as the series went, though there are some exceptions.
 

Mustawd

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He made a few good games, the mistake I made was I liked the first geneforge so I bought like ten games and came to realize after putting in way too much time I only liked 2-3 out of them and they all tended to get worse as the series went, though there are some exceptions.

Fair enough, but they p. cheap on sale dawg. :D

anyhow, you think he's a snake-oil salesman then?
 
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He made a few good games, the mistake I made was I liked the first geneforge so I bought like ten games and came to realize after putting in way too much time I only liked 2-3 out of them and they all tended to get worse as the series went, though there are some exceptions.

Fair enough, but they p. cheap on sale dawg. :D

anyhow, you think he's a snake-oil salesman then?

I came to the conclusion over time that he is a particularly annoying shekelgrubber. He has been in decline almost since the beginning.
 

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Look, I like his games BECAUSE they are budget titles. *shrug* I like the aesthetic. I like the turn based combat (although I wish there was 6 in a party), I like his world building. His encounters suck ass most o ft the time. Especially bosses.

But you know what else I like about his games?

-Full party creation
-Non level scaled shit (afaik)
-No romanceable party members
-2D
-isometric or top down depending on which versions you play
I like a good level design (fun to explore) and decent systems. World building is ok - it's not like his writing is anything to be exсited about, probably the main reason for the lack of romances, writing them needs a better skill than "go kill rats in that cave".
Same goes for 2d/isometric - it's cheap and gets the job done, but obviously not art.
 

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Exile\Avernum is a good game series that was progressively burnt out and resold three times in a row. Some nice ideas inside, but slowly gutted ans simplified and worsened to resell it again and again because Vogel is so, so tired. And old. And he needs money. And he is old. And tired.

Geneforge has some legit good writing, a great faction system (the writing itself is middling, but few games leave to you the agency that Geneforge does) and somewhat mediocre gameplay. They are his best games without doubt, everything else I've played from him has been far inferior or outright bad.

Avadon comes from his Bioware phase. Boring, badly designed, self-insert characters, casualized. Had sales just thanks to Steam (Steam was evil for Vogel until it wasn't. Also, he's old and tired, and he needs money. Give him money).

Nethergate was a good experiment, like Blades of Avernum. He has not built on them because he's lazy, they didn't sell well enough, and Blades gave him the problem that why the fuck people should have bought his Eternal Remakes if people had a system to build their own adventures in the same engine?

Not excited for the kickstarter. Vogel nowadays is bored, tired, old (as he likes to repeat every paragraph) he just wants to make money and Kickstarting stuff is against my beliefs. If it's Geneforge remakes, I'll wait for the full copy and pirate it to honour old times.

No Vogel, you are not Paradox or Illwinter or Taleworlds. You have broken the compact: they kept releasing good games, you kept releasing Xerox copies.
 

FeelTheRads

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:what:

Yes, 5 minutes is all it takes to find better artists. Not sure what that has to do with the code, though.
 

ArchAngel

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I have only played one of this game for more than few hours and only somewhat enjoyed it but I am still down to contribute to this KS if it is going to be a good mix of better graphics/UI and old school cRPG mechanics.
 

Irxy

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I'm mostly interested in the setting - if its sci-fi or something original I'll likely contribute, not interested in another generic fantasy.
 

HoboForEternity

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Geneforge has in some way has earned my lifelong loyalty. In some twisted way, i gonna keep supporting him in hope he strikes that golden again.

Plus his games are all p cheap even at release, literally the cost of a pizza for me, for me, so even if i dont like ot too much they aint a great loss
 

Curratum

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Vogel is the guy who makes those games you really want to like but never end up playing because of the hideous graphics, right?

I too am willing to pitch into a KS if he finally switches from his 20-year-old engine and sprites, the guy has good ideas.
 

fantadomat

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I don't know about you but his latest remake was a lot more enjoyable than any other CRPG in a long time. I felt a lot more joy and fun playing his game than dos2 or deadfire. Don't see why people are shitting over him that much,it is not like we are bustling with good crpg devs and games. Disliking the dev/games is fine,wanting him to stop making games i retarded.
I would ratter replay the Avadon series than PoE or DOS.
 

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Hello and welcome to the Kickstarter for our BRAND NEW game. COMPLETELY new. Fresh like Pampers. It's a re-imagination of
 

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my first experience with vogel was the Avernum 1 remake. I loved it and played the recent remakes of Avernum 2 and 3 and they are all great games. We should be grateful for Jeff Vogel instead of hating on him, he made crpgs in a time where crpgs were considered completely dead.
 

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