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Red Dead Redemption 2 - coming to Steam in December

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Morgoth, Oct 16, 2016.

  1. Wyatt_Derp Learned

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    Hey! I resemble that comment.

    And oddly enough, I don't give a fuck about Netflix. Looks like we got ourselves a Mexican standoff!
     
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    In Vice City at one point you have to chase down a motorcycle, it goes into backstreets until it reaches the mall ... you could drive down the backstreet or NOT, the only objective is to get the suitcase back and doesnt lock you to a specific route.
    If it was made today you would have to be with x meters of the motorcycle and would have to drive down the backstreet after it, this is what I meant by doing your own thing ... in the past the objectives were simple as "get suitcase back before the motorcycle reaches its destination" and would ask nothing more then that, today it would block streets as well force the player to go down a specific route to get the suitcase back, this is what meant by freedom as freedom to complete the objective instead of having to go over a very specific path because "muh setpiece reference".
     
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  4. TheSentinel Arcane

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    Does running there or taking a car or a bike really make that much of a difference to you though? I really couldn't give less of a shit, that's such a shallow "freedom" to have. if the trade off for some shit I didn't care about is improving other aspects of the game I'm all up for it. Especially when Rockstar doesn't make RPGs. I've never gone into their games expecting freedom.
     
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  5. Drakron Arcane

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    Yes, it does because you WERE meant to take your car and chase it down the backroad, its not "taking a car or a bike" even if that is true since GTA does force you to race in specific cars (like San Andreas with that FUCKING SPORTS CAR ON WHAT IS A FUCKING COUNTRY ROAD) its a question on how the player approaches the objective were simply put, you were free to do whatever you wanted to do instead of being locked into doing it in a specific way.

    Oh really? "other aspects of the game"? like fucking what?

    Rockstar loves their homages and references but that is going AT the expense of INTERACTION and no, doing it EXACTLY AS THE DEVELOPER INTENDED is not interaction, games must be interactive and not "Press X to continue" for a cinematographic experience, if I want to watch a movie I will go watch a movie, not play Vice City to see nu-Scarface and that is the problem with games these days were they REALLY want to be movies but that comes at the cost of players having the freedom to interact with the gameworld, this is why I dont play JRPGs that much because they are entirely linear affairs.
     
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    Like the story and set pieces. Red Dead Redemption 2 has the best out of any Rockstar game yet, precisely because the story missions are so curated and (most) are controlled by a specific vision. You still have the space outside the missions to fuck around with, and it's not like it was sacrificed for the main story either. When I say "story", I mean all aspects that involve it, particularly music. RDR2's use of music rivals Nier Automata as the best ever.
    I don't remember anything from any GTA game aside from VC's art direction and music, and 2 GTA 5 missions. I remember almost the entirety of RDR2 and can name at least 5 different great moments and I haven't touched it in 1 year. And from my perspective, the trade-off was a nobrainer - tone down the small freedom that existed for a massive increase in story quality.

    PS: Another thing to note is that despite the meme that "RDR is just GTA with horses", they're different franchises. GTA 5 for example expanded on the prequel's freedom with actual freedom in the heists missions and some assassinations, but RDR has always been completely linear.
     
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  8. TheSentinel Arcane

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    Yes?
    If you are implying I remember RDR2 more because I played it more recently, think again:
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    I decided to continue replaying Vice City on my PS2 that still works though, because the PC version is all sorts of weird and missing graphical details.
     
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    it's that good?
     
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    Who do you think's winning?
     
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    I thought you had played it (and disliked it).
     
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    It definitely has one of the best stories and writing in a game I've seen that's not an RPG. Despite the fact that it has some usual Rockstar's one-dimensionally bad characters, like those hostile gangs or others, I was contemplating this story for a couple of days actually, due to all the ambiguity and things left for player's interpretation and intelligence to figure out, like i.e:

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    While Dutch was certainly an egocentrist, was he really a well-meaning father figure before all the hell broke loose, or simply a manipulative asshole to begin with, gradually losing all pretences? There are hints or characters' rapport for many different interpretations, even incredibly subtle cues or random encounters at certain story stages that depending on player's playstyle may or may not be seen. And while it's obvious he slides further and further into insanity, was it caused by some outward factors, such as that failed train heist in Saint Denis where he hit his head hard enough to loosen enough screws in his mind? Or was it losing Hosea, who was his arguably bi-curious bromance, as well as the voice of reason in the leadership, keeping him in reins?
     
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    Interesting, especially this "Xbox vehicles". I've seen there are actually 3 different graphical versions of San Andreas, for PS2, PC and Smartphones, with the first one looking the most distinct. Maybe there's some patch to bring it back?

    EDIT: Ho, that was quick:

     
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    Yeah I definitely agree. I also especially like how they
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    leave the existence of an additional rat pre-Guarma as a real possibility. There's some hints that Abigail might've been one: mysteriously escapes the St. Denis robbery unscathed; was spying on Dutch and knows where hides all the money; had extra motive to get out of that life; she is the one who kills Milton (maybe afraid he'd say something he shouldn't?)
     
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    I don't have a monthly streaming bill, so I am.
     
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    On a console ?! :lol:
     
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    Doesn't look any different than the PS4 version, but just listening to that song again gives me chills.
     
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    PC RPG Website of the Year, 2015 Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
    Better reflections and shadows, probably updated textures. 4K/60fps.
     
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  21. TheSentinel Arcane

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    Where did you see those? I don't doubt that the Ultra option will be better than the console versions, but from this trailer nothing really stood out. I also don't know why they chose to use New Austin as a graphical showcase.
    For example the Shadow Render Distance seems the exact same as the console version, and I didn't notice any improvement in terms of draw distance (for example at 0:32 you can see the fog set in in the distant mountain, just like in the console version).

    Only real difference I notice is the obviously sharper image.
     
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    You got some Muneh for me Boah?
     
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    It could have exactly the same console settings and still be a massive upgrade at native resolution and 60+fps.
     
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  24. Manjuice Nutella Arcane

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    TBH that 60 FPS kinda broke the "immershun" for me; I had the impression that it's the most photorealistic game ever made on PS4 which I guess was 30fps, but with such high framerate and fidelity you see more clearly that it's a vidya game after all :(

    EDIT: Watching it again on a different screen, maybe I overreacted. I'm not even sure if my i5-8300 and GTX 1050 can run it as such anyway.
     
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  25. Surf Solar cannot into womynz

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    Really makes me wonder what people find so genius about RDR2s story. It meanders aimlessly throughout the entire fucking game, nothing changes, then there's a completely unnecessary chapter right in the middle to take you completely out of the flow, but again, nothing really happens there. After the end where atleast some things are resolved you are greeted by an overly long epilogue that again, doesnt add anything.

    It at times felt like watching a sitcom where characters are caricatures and nothing truly meaningful ever happens.
     
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