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Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by Cassidy, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Grimgravy Augur Patron

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    Yay! Update!

    1B
    2B
    3B>D
    4A
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  2. Nevill Arcane

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    Sorry, missed the alert and it took me a bit of time to realize it's here.

    Wouldn't this be, technically, a violation of the agreement with 'Them', should we make one?

    What the hell is this? Sending a message to these creatures and their servants is meaningless - they understand everything just fine. Doing it to satiate her inner sadist? I thought we were still playing Angartyr, that guy preferred to blow the enemies' brains out. :decline: This maiming is as inefficient as it is unrefined. :obviously:

    The diplomat let an important piece of information out.
    Indeed, why would they offer us a deal at all if they could continue doing what they were doing at the expense of their servants? It seems their position is not as strong as they want it to appear. On the other hand, they have an overwhelming numerical superiority on their side, and can simply destroy us through the war of atrition.

    It is possible that if we refuse the treaty, they would still leave us largely alone (as in, won't engage in an all-out war) if we leave them a choice (as in, won't incite the population against them). In so doing, we would be able to engage in a number of alliances with the other countries.

    However, should we accept the treaty, these options would be closed off to us, or the treaty becomes void.

    Cassidy, if we accept the offer of their masters yet refuse the treaty with Miklagard, what can we expect? Since Miklagard is under their thumb, they can't make any moves against us. The offer of their masters forbid the travels and exchange of knowledge, so it's not like we can benefit from a trade, either. So what exactly does it affect?

    So, 1B 2B

    3C (refuse them but don't push it) > 3B (accept it with the intention to break it somewhere down the line - it is not a question of 'if', but 'when')
    4B (if we refuse the deal in 3) > A (otherwise)
    5B (if we refuse the deal in 3) > C (otherwise)
    6D
    It's just more people for us to assimilate once our empire grows big enough. :M
     
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  3. Nevill Arcane

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    Why did she, then? She has correctly stated that the fate of the treaty and that of a diplomat are unrelated. She could do whatever she wants with him and it would not matter a bit.

    With a human envoy mistreating the messenger is a show of ultimate disrespect that has to be answered by an insulted ruler (and thus counter-productive to peace negotiations), but with 'Them' maintaining the appearance of mutual respect is hardly an issue and 'They' aren't really concerned with legitimacy in the eyes of their followers. They would have let the death of an ape slide as long as the conditions that matter to them are observed.

    The death of a diplomat would likely have an effect on how Miklagard - that we are signing the treaty with, it seems - views us, but that is an gesture that is only meaningful to the rest of the world anyway.

    What is the state of technolody in the outside world? As I roughly recall, they have WW1 tech available and reproducible (with no ability to innovate), while Scandinavia has roughly pre-WW2 tech (which will get stolen, eventually) due to our alliance. We are somewhere in the 70s or 80s. Just trying to figure out how much time we have before it all goes to hell again.

    How much longer for human cloning? :M

    Which countries do we have trading relationships with?
     
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  4. Nevill Arcane

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    Why? What are the biggest constraints? Serious question.

    Our productive capabilities far surpass our needs, and our biggest problem is the lack of people to properly utilize them. Cloning can be the one thing that can start a chain reaction of explosive growth in all industries.

    And of course there is going to be a caveat, but I don't think it is going to be much worse than being trapped between machine gods, ancient horrors and techno-aliens.

    What are we trading with Scandinavians? Natural resourses?

    I am considering going into a full-blown isolationist/blockade mode while we sort our own issues and launching our first space shuttle. It looks like we are cutting ties with the Old World anyway. :|
     
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  5. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    1B
    2Ripley
    3A
    4A
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  6. Nevill Arcane

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    Would giving up our submarine allow the Arabs master nuclear power?

    All it takes to wipe Vinland out off the face of the Earth is ten nukes. But then again, they lack the scientific base to reproduce it, and we could have an orbital defence matrix in place by the time they reverse-engineer it. :|

    And I am also not against seeing the Old World burn as 'They' try to murder each other.

    Our choices are to either agree to the deal on the spot or refuse. No way I would risk haggling with someone who has mind control.

    While the hot melonhead-on-tranny action is tempting, we've seen how this can end with the gods of Xibalba. Actually, at this point I am not sure saving the kids is worth it, as we might be transporting the spies instead of prisoners back with us.

    1, 5 and 6 look somewhat appealing.
     
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  7. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Hmmm... Leaning towards either 2 or 6. Alternatively 3.
     
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  8. Nevill Arcane

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    Any more time spent with the guy and we'll be offering him the sub, ourselves and Vinland for free. :M
     
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  9. Grimgravy Augur Patron

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    Would accepting his bargain and rigging the sub to explode void the overall deal with Them?
     
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  10. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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  11. Grimgravy Augur Patron

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    Damn. 6 then. Screw this guy and brainwashed kids. I'm going home. With a conditional >5. Killing the former kids is a good idea too.
     
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  12. Nevill Arcane

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    Alright, I guess. 6 it is.
     
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  13. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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  14. Azira Arcane Patron

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    1B>C
    2A>B
    3A>C
    4A>AB
     
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  15. Grimgravy Augur Patron

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    1 B>A
    2 Can't we do B and A together? If not A>B
    3 C
    4 A - Most of the world is corrupted. We need a pure new world.
     
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  16. Baltika9 Arcane

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    Dammit, Cleve, get off the line!
    A
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    Although, Cassidy, will the migratory fleet in 4A come with weapons? Or do we have to vote for 4B to have militarized spacecraft?
     
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  17. Baltika9 Arcane

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    I might have missed it, but what happened with the Seidr research?
     
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  18. Nevill Arcane

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    Freyjanna does not know what a 'tyrant' means. :M

    1B.
    The Butlerian Jihad will not come to pass. I don't see the harm in 'not intelligent' machines, as in our present day technology level 'not intelligent'. How do you run a space program without computers and automated factories anyway?
    2A>B. I support Grimgravy's sentiment that both programs should be run concurrently. We need a long-term solution, and we need proper conditions for a population boom, but we can also benefit from importing qualified personnel from abroad. We don't need janitors, but we might benefit from their engineers, scientists or skilled workers. Though with the technology disparity their scientists might as well be janitors anyway.
    The most important budgets are space program, weapons research and counter-intelligence (so that no one can interfere with it), medical insurance (we can't afford to lose people, we are too few), family encouragement fund, and educational program to put more people to factories and universities. Everything else can burn along with the planet when ITZ arrives. All our efforts should be targeted to have the space program up and running ASAP.
    3C. Can't divert much more resourses from our main goal.
    4A. Abandon ship. Alpha Centauri looks the most promising, but if we can, we should scatter across several worlds. Humanity's problem is that it keeps all eggs in a single basket. We should try and spread across multiple star systems to eventually have a chance against this new threat.
     
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  19. LusciousPear Savant

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    SO GLAD THIS IS STILL HAPPENING

    1B. Same as ^
    2C. We still need manual laborers, warm bodies for future wars, etc.
    3C. Might as well leverage moar intel.
    4B. FIGHT. If the invaders are trans-dimensional, I can't image anywhere is safe. Of course, we'll probably just become as monstrous as them...but surely we can blow shit up
     
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  20. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    1B
    2A
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  21. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Ho-hum...

    1A>C
    2A>C
    3A
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  22. Nevill Arcane

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    Can Sarah lie about the planets and send us on a wild goose chase as a last 'fuck you'? She certainly seems capable of at least a little defiance, and might be capable of deception if there is no promise of retribution.

    If she tells the truth - and if we can confirm it, - then 1A. If we can't determine, then 1C.

    2A - meet the diplo. They know about the program now anyway.
    3A - meet the diplos. Poland cannot into space anyway.
    4B - let everyone come with us if they can. The more, the merrier. Yay to intergalactic wars!
     
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  23. Nevill Arcane

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    She is able of defiance, and she has reasons to resent us: for being an interface to the machine that wiped out her race, for killing her husband, for outsmarting her - for everything that put her in the current predicament, in fact.

    Wasn't it a punishment that we didn't grant her a quick death, like we did to Jacob?

    Death frees her from any responsibility for a lie that he might otherwise have. She has a reason to hate us, but she also fears us. Death alleviates that fear, leaving only hate as a driving factor.

    If her words can't be verified, I'd only kill her after we arrive to our destination. No sooner.
     
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