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Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by huskarls, Dec 3, 2019 at 7:25 PM.

  1. huskarls Educated

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    POE was such dogshit even sawyer admitted it. The whole thing was a group gaslight, emperor has no clothes phenomenon. hitting 5% boost to attack for 3 second specials inbetween paragraphs of low grade tolkien shit. There should be a devoted historiography on the Great Kickstarter Decline on this forum to ensure something like this never happens again. And a group therapy thread where former POS cultist can come forward and talk about their experiences being brainwashed and the symptoms. I consider the whole affair to be codex's 9/11
     
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  2. Vlajdermen Savant

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    It was a necessary misstep at the beginning of the kickstarter era. It should be preserved for the sake of history, but the lessons we have learned from it lead us to eventually succeeding at what POE tried to do.

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    The lesson being that you need to rely on The Eternal Slav
     
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  3. Fedora Master Arcane Patron

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    The beginning? Wasteland 2 was ass. PoE 2 is pretty much ass as well. Tyranny was ass.
    Almost all of these kickstarted "big name guys who made a successful game 20 years ago" projects failed.
     
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  4. Vlajdermen Savant

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    We still let the lesson of ''big names don't mean quality'' slip our mind, but that means the big guys will fuck up so the little guys can learn from their mistakes. The mistakes of POE beget Pf:Km, and the mistakes of WL2 beget ATOM.

    Shit is a potent fertilizer, as I say.
     
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  5. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    I liked POE it was OK

    Half of you hated POE alright but also played all the Mass Effects and Inquisition and Fallout 4 and there are severe worries around your brain health

    Fight me
     
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  6. Fedora Master Arcane Patron

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    I will fully admit that I've played through Inquisition out of morbid curiosity and boredom. The MMO-style throwaway gameplay, while not great, was at least compelling in a throwaway grindan gaem way. I tried PoE1 multiple times and stopped every time I reached the first big city because everything about it was just so *cachwr*
     
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  7. Verylittlefishes Scholar Patron

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    The mistakes of Numanuma beget Disco Elysium (kinda)
     
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  8. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Isn't one of the lessons of POE that many Codexers now prefer the comfort junk food of half-assed cliche high fantasy smash orcs kinda-MMO forgettable mash over an overambitious, overwrought, high-concept, ultimately failed effort at more complex mechanics and better writing?

    In an ideal world, we'd accept neither, and get more Underrails and AODs. But hey it's pretty weird to me to slurp the lukewarm bathwater of TOW or I WANT TO BE A DRAGON MOMMY but POE is the one people are really really angry about
     
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  9. Viata Arcane

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    I have not played any of them. The only sin I have is that I bought POE, but I never finished that given how shit it was. It was also the last time I bought any rpg that is not turn-based. :dealwithit:
     
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  10. Valky Arcane Manlet

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    Is it allowable to criticize Obsidian here?
     
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  11. lukaszek the determinator

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    and yet no one wishes to play gorasul :negative:
     
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  12. ItsChon Resident Zoomer Patron

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    Mass Effect 1 is not a bad game. Better than PoE no contest.
     
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  13. Unorus Janco Lurker

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    The mistakes of Fallout 4 beget The Outer Worlds. Oh, wait...

    Are we still talking about Pillars of Eternity?
     
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  14. Red Panda Best New Codexer of 2019 Patron

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    Could have been worse.
     
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  15. barghwata Learned

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    In what world is PoE an "effort at more complex mechanics and better writing"? effort and PoE are two words that should never be put in the same sentence, it's probably the laziest obsidian has ever been on any game they made, all they did was copy baldur's gate and then somehow made it even worst by completely half assing the encounter design and the writing.

    I would take TOW or ME1 over PoE any day of the week.
     
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  16. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    In a world where that is prefaced by "failed".

    I know, I know, it's hard. You see PoE and "complex" in the same sentence! God forbid, "better!" Instead of "dumpsterfire" or "shiternity" or "whoopie goldberg's ballsack!" You feel the fury building in you! You must speak!
     
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  17. barghwata Learned

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    I wasn't triggered by the word "complex", it's more the word "effort" that really bugged me; eveything about the game just screams "LAZY", Obsidian really didn't try anything interesting with the game, the writing and the setting were very bland, the encounter design and quest design were especially terrible and lazy, and the character creation system despite having some interesting ideas didn't work out because of sawyer's obsession with balance and not wanting to take any risks whatsoever.

    And yes i certainly wouldn't call something like ME1 an "effort at more complex mechanics .." since it follow the regular bioware formula, but bioware at least succeeded at what they were trying to do which is to deliver a solid sci-fi cinematic experience with decent writing and C&C and that's better then nothing; whereas Obsidian just tried to copy Baldur's gate and failed miserably because they were lazy and didn't want to take any risks.
     
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  18. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

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    Cholera is not a bad disease; better than typhus, no contest. :M
     
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  19. Serious_Business Best Poster on the Codex

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    I will fight you you FUCK

    Come here I will punch you right in the neck I will suffocate you you will utterly perish DIE

    DIE YOU FUCKER

    I also thought PoE was eh, ok, I guess, but a fight to the death is what I am interested in, as I must solve the problem of my eternally broken heart

    AND THE PROBLEM OF MY ETERNALLY ERECT PILLAR

    YEAH BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    I need a fucking drink
     
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  20. Tigranes Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Serious_Business if you prefer, I could try to claim that I enjoyed Oblivion

    But couple other folks already have that niche down
     
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  21. Lord_Potato Erudite

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    I played Gorasul! Until the very end! And wrote a review (for the Really Obscure RPGs thread).

    Truelly, an unforgettable experience.
     
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